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Date:         Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:42:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Rust Rot
Comments: To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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My mistake . It's DuraMIX 4125 here's a company that sells it. http://www.autobodysupply.net/category-s/79.htm

the mixing and applying gun - I think I had to pay about 60 bucks for it, but you only need to buy that once. I think a set of twin tubes cost as much as 45 dolars ( ouch) ........hope I'm wrong about that price.

the 4125 sets up fast. I forgot to mention that for large areas, I use small overlapping metal sheets or plates and what works is to prepare several of those ...... like shape them to fit, then glue in about 5 at once if you can.

the mixing tubes cost a buck each. The stuff sets up fast .........but man is it strong stuff. scott www.turbovans.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Rust Rot

> dear rusty nomore > do you have a link for that Duramax 4125 > i can only find the diesel engine and a concrete finnish with that name > thank you > yours > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >> Sure, it's easy, I specialize in it even. >> Sounds like an odd shaped spot to deal with .......but here's what I do , >> even for a hole clear through. >> >> first........pick, dig, or grind away ALL flakey rusty metal. Even if all >> you end up with is swiss cheese. Ulitmately .......all junky flakey metal >> needs to not be there. >> If there's no holes through.......then it's super easy to deal with. >> >> so you've got bare metal, or what's left of it..........treath that with >> 'rust converter' ..... >> two kinds I've seen, one in a spray can, one you brush on. Hardware >> stores >> and good automotive stores have them. Treat the metal with this stuff. >> A 'too strong one' is Osphro ..... >> it etches the metal real well, and it can't rust again there, but >> ......it'll eat your concrete floor too. So be careful with that stuff. >> I have even used a dental 'spray pick' to spray osphro or any liguid >> rust >> treatment like 3 or 4 feet back inside a frame rail. >> >> then ........the way I fill in metal. >> Get some good material to work with. For sheet metal kind of thing, get >> galvanized sheet metal at the hardward store. >> When that's not thick enough .......find whatever you can. I save old >> .......whatever, 'car door skin' .......for material to work with. >> The more structural the spot......the thicker the stuff you need of >> course. >> Even steel plate if that's what you've got and it's right for the >> application. >> >> cut and shape and hammer that to fit perfecty. Years ago I found a >> channel >> lock pliers with not teeth in the jaws........I bend my metal with that >> so >> the metal doesnt' get nicked up from the pliers jaws. But get your piece >> of >> metal to go in the spot. >> >> the best metal bonding adhesive I've found so far is Duramax 4125, which >> you >> get online or at a professional grade paint and bodywork supply place. >> You >> need a special gun to apply it as it mixes the two parts. >> I call this stuff 'space ship grade metal epoxy'. >> Not kidding ........the tensile strength must be 10,000 lbs per square >> inch >> .......something way up there. You put two pieces of metal together with >> this stuff..... >> it's permanent. >> >> Then I primer paint all the new areas, I like this 'self-etching' green >> primer a lot. >> then finally.......paint with whatever you want. >> >> there are paints like POR 15 ......which stands for 'paint over rust ' >> ............those stick like mad, and treat the metal - overkill almost, >> but >> awesome shinny and durable and expensive paint. >> If you do good work, and half take care of things , even ordianry spray >> paint will hold a long, long time. It's all in the prep. >> When the final coat of whatever goes on over metal.........it should be >> like >> the last 2 % of the entire process. Where 'the real repair' takes place >> is >> all in the prep. >> >> but that'll fix things quite well. I fixed a rotted out mercedes car >> floor >> with this method ........elephants could jump up and down on it, it's >> like >> stronger than the rest of the car almost. >> Best resutls are with products designed for bonding metal. Epoxy steel, >> but not fiberglass say. Two-part materials that you mix are always >> superior to one part things that you don't mix, pretty much. >> >> save your vanagon ! >> Scott >> www.turbovans.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:22 AM >> Subject: Rust Rot >> >> >> I had my van up on the rack yesterday as part of the action to replace >>> the speedometer cable. I opted for the one piece cable and removed the >>> two piece one from the vehicle. New one works great. As my ol' Granny >>> used to say " it's slick'r than owl dung!" >>> >>> While under there, I looked at the spot right under the foot pedal, and >>> was dismayed at the degree of rust rot that has occured at that spot. >>> The shape of the metal at that location looks like a moisture/water >>> trap. At this stage it's not just rust - but the metal has actually >>> rotted through. This is going ot cause me some grief if I don't get on >>> it and make a repair. It's not an easy spot, either. >>> >>> Has anyone dealt with this particular issue before. Any input would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> BTW, my 88 GL is pretty rust free but for this one spot. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John Rodger >>> Chelsea, AL >>> >> > > > -- > roger w > From Proverbs: > Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: a > servant who becomes king ... > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ > View the growing list of video work at: > http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners > and ... older work at > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364


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