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Date:         Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:15:51 -0700
Reply-To:     Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Creepy white/tan powder inside windshield rubber
Comments: To: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <007b01ca2548$902afd90$b080f8b0$@com>
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So . . . it's like the O2 sensor wheel revolutions counting box thingy on the speedo cable?

VW really thought this ahead on this one. Who knew?

-- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana") 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano Bend, OR KG6RCR

On 8/24/2009 10:54 PM Robert Fisher wrote:

> Well then it's obviously something that VW put in there, like the pop-up > timer in a turkey, that lets you know when it's time to part out your van. > Farewell, Mellow Yellow, it was nice... uh, reading about you. > : ) > > Cya, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Rocket J Squirrel > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Creepy white/tan powder inside windshield rubber > > Very interesting observation. Thanks for providing this bit of information. > > Would you offhand know whether the early model Vanagons you've parted out > that have this stuff lived in road salt environments? I say that because > the stuff has a salty taste. > > I paid a kid to taste it. I'm not stupid. > > -- > Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott > 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana") > 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano > Bend, OR > KG6RCR > > > > On 8/24/2009 1:14 PM VW Doka wrote: > >> I've tried to stay out of the "Creepy White Stuff" thread, but... I've >> seen this on many of the early model Vanagons that I have parted out >> of the years. Can't say that I know what causes it, but it is not a >> unique occurrence. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Tom Buese<tombuese@comcast.net> wrote: >>> Having lived in SALT Lake City its entire life, my 84 westy which is >>> driven almost daily all year, has never exhibited any of that creepy >>> white stuff that Mr. Squirrel's does. Utah uses salt on the roads >>> here, & while I try & avoid it, it is impossible to miss. >>> >>> I can't imagine that Bend's road conditions are that much more >>> corrosive than SLC's. >>> >>> I've gotta think that the creepy white stuff is some sort of leeching >>> reaction from something on the inside of the windshield or that got on >>> the rubber by accident, but I can't imagine that it is from road salt, >>> or your westy would be a dripping rust bucket as we speak? >>> >>> YMMV, >>> >>> Mr. BZ >>> >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote: >>> >>>> Excellent. Now all I need is a Bunsen burner. >>>> >>>> We wiped the crap off the rubber yesterday anyway. If someone knows >>>> where >>>> else to look where I can easily grab a sample, might you know of >>>> someone >>>> with an interest in chemistry -- preferably with an assistant named >>>> "Beaker," -- who might be able to provide a cheap and cheerful >>>> analysis? >>>> >>>> The Oregon Dept. of Transportation assures us that their deicer is >>>> less-corrosive than NaCl (see >>>> >>>> > http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&staticNav=Wi > nRoadMain >>>> , where they say that, >>>> >>>> "While [sodium chloride] is an effective tool for melting snow and >>>> ice, it >>>> also causes severe rust damage to vehicles, degrades the road surface, >>>> corrodes bridges, and may harm roadside vegetation." >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> "It is recommended to wash vehicles regularly ... even though the >>>> magnesium chloride product contains a corrosion inhibitor, it still >>>> can >>>> cause corrosion. Regularly wash vehicles to remove anti-icer/deicer >>>> liquid, sanding and road dirt encountered during winter months." >>>> >>>> Need to find a car wash with belly wash equipment. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott >>>> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana") >>>> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano >>>> Bend, OR >>>> KG6RCR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/24/2009 12:05 PM Kim Brennan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since Vern offered up that Bend uses Magnesium Chloride, I'll >>>>> update the >>>>> flame test info....magnesium chloride has no color in the flame test >>>>> (neither magnesium nor chlorine, excite electrons in the visible >>>>> spectrum.) Sodium does. That's why the flame test is an easy way to >>>>> distinguish between sodium chloride (white powder) and magnesium >>>>> chloride (white powder.) Both are also easily soluble in water. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Vern! >>>>>> >>>>>> I knew about the use (temporary, I think I read, due to >>>>>> availability) of >>>>>> crushed basalt last winter. I didn't know that the red cinders had >>>>>> become >>>>>> an air pollution issue. Bend is pretty dusty. >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, back to the magnesium chloride and my Vanagon. >


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