Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:13:56 -0700
Reply-To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Hydrogen cars. Was: Re: waterboxer pinging
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I think it's hydrogen cars because there is no way the major oil companies
can get into the electric business but they can take the hydrogen
distribution and creation business..so they've passed the word on...No
electric cars...make hydrogen cars you guys.
"What happened to the Electric Car", the movie, kinda maps out this
scenario from a few years ago and Jeeze, it seems to be heading that
way...imagine that.
Google the movie title and have a look..worth chasing down a copy of that
film, just for laughs..
Don Hanson
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Roland <syncronicity1@gmail.com> wrote:
> "His answer to why we do not have hydrogen powered cars is "The
> Hindenburg."
>
> Well, it is Fridaye sooo...
>
> The reason we will not have hydrogen cars is that it is too difficult to
> create hydrogen from electricity, and then move hydrogen from the place it
> is created to a car only to convert it back into electricity in the
> vehicle. It is far easier to just move electricity (and lower risk, and
> less cost).
>
> But I am open to learn more, things can change, who knows for sure. These
> folks may know something I don't.
>
> - Mercedes announced a major hydrogen effort:
> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/mercedes-hydrogen/
> - Same with Toyota:
>
> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/toyota-may-speed-up-hydrogen-car/
>
> Roland
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Richard A Jones <jones@colorado.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > >> Yes.
> >
> > > Well, that sounds definitive. I was hoping for a reply that would
> > > enlighten me a little more, however.
> >
> > Well, I didn't want to waste any words. ;-)
> >
> > Seriously, this has been discussed on the list many times before.
> > Air pressure is inverse to altitude, so lower at higher
> > altitudes. That effectively lowers the compression ratio of
> > the engine. Hence, lower octane requirements.
> >
> > The Wikipedia article has some good info:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
> >
> > Of course, the best authority is:
> > http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/1997/June/09.html
> >
> > I would like to know how the lower octane at altitude is specified
> > and by whom--EPA, DOT? I haven't stumbled on any detailed info about
> > that.
> >
> > A good general reference on gaseoline is:
> > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/
> > Note that he can be terse, too. His answer to why we do not
> > have hydrogen powered cars is "The Hindenburg."
> >
> > Regarding alcoholic gas, here in the Colorado front range counties
> > gasoline is "oxygenated" from November 1st to January 31st. The
> > pumps used to have stickers appear and disappear. Now they just
> > leave stickers on all year that state "may have...." In fact, I
> > think that all pumps all over the state have the stickers.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
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