Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:45:42 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon emissions
Comments: To: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
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re
I understood correctly the
> emissions limits didn't change from some time in the '80s until 2004.

Don't know 'where' you are talking about, but I believe emission limits have
gotten tighter and tighter a bit at a time,
year by year, for a long time.  Thinking of Ca. mainly.  Can't say about
other states. Some are quite lax.

Yes, there is no equivalent quite to a vanagon.
Eurovans are can provide things that a vanagon can't - like aerodynamics,
ABS brakes in some models, and air bags ......
things a vanagon can barely ever offer. I also believe they are considerably
more crashworthy than vanagons.

On the other paw, vanagons can be very easily and nicely worked on.
Eurovans are a whole new and somewhat odd  ball game, compared to the tried
and true  vanagon.  I think it's safe to say Eurovans can 'like money'
pretty severely at times. I know of two cases that claim $ 15,000 spent in
repairs in 2 and 1/2 years, on a Eurovan , as extreme as that sounds.  And
even after that, they sold it, due to just being so beat up on  what it cost
to keep alive. ..........
YMMV !
Scott
www.turbovans.com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Potts" <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Vanagon emissions


> Hi David,
>
> Define "comparable newer vehicles".  I can't think of anything
> comparable that's newer. The Eurovan comes close, but I don't think it
> has the load capacity or the maneuverability of the vanagon. A sprinter
> conversion, maybe. I tried looking for sprinter emissions details online
>  but they don't seem to be available.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> 1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
> www.busesofthecorn.com
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
>
> David Beierl wrote:
>> Does anyone know how Vanagons compare quantitatively with comparable
>> newer vehicles?  I did some reading through the nasty complicated
>> stuff I found online a while ago, and if I understood correctly the
>> emissions limits didn't change from some time in the '80s until 2004.
>>
>> Mine was tested recently and came in at (grams per mile) Hydrocarbons
>> 0.34/limit 3.88, CO 1.78/limit 59.97, NOx 0.55/limit 4.09 and CO2
>> 410.88.  That's respectively 9%, 3% and 13% of the 1989 maximums,
>> which seems pretty good to me.