Date:         Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:22:16 -0400
Reply-To:     mcneely4@COX.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon Winter Survival Kit Question
Comments: To: Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
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More importantly, liquor is 30 - 40% alcohol, a central nervous system 
depressant.  Want to freeze to death?  Good idea not to drink that stuff 
when life is at stake.  Now, a little warm me up under different 
circumstances -- I enjoy it.  Schnapps is nice (some people really hate 
it, though).  Dave Mc


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stephen Grisanti wrote:

> I'm sure someone will jokingly recommend packing a bottle Old (insert 
> favorite alcoholic beverage name here) but keep in mind that liquor at 
> -20F is still be liquid but is also still at -20F and might damage 
> your innards if ingested at that temp.
>  
> Stephen
>
> --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Max Wellhouse  wrote:
>
>
> From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Vanagon Winter Survival Kit Question
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 9:49 PM
>
>
> Well, it's almost Friday so this slightly off topic question will get
> asked.  We are all aware that packing any winter survival kit for our
> Vanagons should include fluids to stay hydrated.  My question is how
> do you folks keep your fluids from freezing when winter gets really
> cold out.  Bringing water or other beverages into and out of the car
> each time we drive isn't the answer, so what's Vanagon driver to do?
>
> Generic gallon water bottles won't survive the expansion once the
> water does freeze, and draining 1/4 or so of the fluid to allow for
> expansion, but then you don't get as much fluid.  Would loading
> sugared drinks  or juices lessen the chance of freezing?  I was
> hoping to put maybe some cranapple juice in a Lexan Nalgene bottle or
> two and wondered if the stiff walls and a little bit of space for
> expansion might be a solution.  I'm not so worried about the fluid
> freezing as it can be warmed up in several ways, but I would like to
> find a fairly bullet proof method of storing the liquid.  thanks in 
> advance
>
> DM&FS