Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:43:53 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Greiner <greines@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Scott Greiner <greines@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Gen Set
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I whole heartilyagree camping is a bonding with nature. I feel, and again it is my own feeling that having low volume radio sounds is acceptable and should not have to subject your neighbor to have to hear it if they chose not to.
I feel if this does happen that the party in question "specially if the party is last to setup camp" should move to a area that louder radio, music, and/or generators would be allowed.
I would not be surprise in the future that campsites will ask if you get loud with talk, music, etc at night as well as during the day, and place you in that area ok'ed. I understand that when groups get together day or night things can get louder from one talking over another and music than gets louder. Just obey the curfew hours indicated.
I am not fond of the rude people that just say f.u. and make your trip very uncomfortable and/or you will be the one moving to another site.
Our last trip there was a couple that came back to their site drunk about 9:00/9:30ishand the radio came on, got loud, cell phone call came in to them, it got louder. I could even hear the other party on the phone. The invite was asked for the phone party to stop by. Since my wife and I were already in bed and a curfew is at 10 PM. I just hoped for the best. This time the other drunk people did not show up. Thank God, I was wondering how they would of drove here. When one comes to public sites, I am and understand that there should be a lot of lee-way given to both parties.
If one really like their peace and quiet, than working towards having a self-sufficient camper, campsite, etc and just go deeper in to a more private spot.
I find it quite enjoyable to see what and how one can make it through the day with very little items brought when camping. Everybody is different.
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:40:07 AM
Subject: Re: Gen Set
Well, there is noise, then there is noise. I am not bothered by people
in a campground making the natural noises of people playing, kids
running about, even someone with musical instruments and dancing, as
happens in some of the places I visit. I am bothered by generators and
loud stereos. I suspect the critters are bothered by those things when
there are no other people around, too. I actually feel like the "quiet
hours" rules in most public park campgrounds are too lenient. I noticed
that Big Bend National Park and some other national parks now have
"quiet loops" where no generators or amplified sounds are allowed at any
hour. Good idea? What do you think?
David McNeely
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Rowan Tipton wrote:
> i also hate noisy generators. that said, i have a generator mounted
> in a small trailer with sound proofing that can not be heard from 15
> feet... based on db meter readings, personal observation and asking a
> lot of people. i don't use it if i'm camped near anyone. in fact i
> usually use it when i'm far into the outback with no one within miles.
>
> and in campgrounds i'm bothered by cars driving by, by kids yelling
> early in the morning, by flicking light from campfires when i'm trying
> to sleep, by bright lanterns, by dogs barking, by loud voices, by
> other peoples music, etc. people are noisy and i fail to see why a
> generator that makes no more noise than other things is less
> considerate. it's all the noise of people camping and having fun and
> i enjoy being bothered! and when i don't want to here anyone else i
> go where there are no others.
>
> r
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
>
>> I, too, think that generators are really bad when camping. Why
>> someone
>> would assume that other people within earshot of their generator
>> noise are
>> not being constantly bothered by that irritating noise has always
>> puzzled
>> me. Running a generator in a quiet public environment is very
>> selfish. They make noise. Just for YOU. They aren't really
>> necessary.
>> If decide you simply must have electrical devices in use, quiet
>> power is
>> fair to other's who happen to have you camped near them. Nobody
>> should be
>> forced to listen to generator noise when their neighbors decide to
>> Zap some
>> popcorn and watch TV or whatever .
>> There are plenty of more considerate ways to provide yourself with
>> electrical power if you simply must have it. Generators really
>> belong in
>> environments where their noise is going to be drowned out..Job
>> sites, Race
>> tracks, Football stadium parking lots, Off Road vehicle parks,
>> etc. Even
>> the quietest tiny little gen-set.. Noisy and very similar to a sonic
>> toothache...nagging, like a drippy faucet...
>> Go solar, wind, battery, please!
>> Don Hanson
>
> I remain, as always
> YrLyl&ObdntSrvnt,
>
> r
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