Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:16:31 -0800
Reply-To: Al Knoll <anasasi@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Al Knoll <anasasi@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: HIDs? Was: Does the H4 bulb put out more light than the 9004
bulb?
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"No matter how elegant the hypothesis, or how eloquent it's presentation, if
it doesn't agree with the data, it's' wrong" -- attributed to Feynman at the
Thiokol hearings.
I have run more effective lighting on all of my cars from the doddering old
TR3B with it's Carellos to the Alfa with the Marchals, to the 914 with Cibie
Zs, to my subaru with 4x cibie rectangulars to my grumpy old K5 and now the
Vanagon. I adjust not to annoy but to illuminate and usually don't run the
high beams at all. Especially in an urban or superslab environment, simply
not necessary there. However for jacklighting tarantulas, or annoying the
owls, I occasionally light em up.
If John has the years of experience of not annoying his fellow roadmates
then we cannot argue with that collection of data.
If the DOT or otherwise employed functionary who did the comparison against
some ill-defined and perhaps less than optimal standard and classified the
HID as "FAILED" because it was out of "whiteness" or " brighter than his
perceived or 'legal' level of goodness would allow was not in the employ of
the bureaucracy that would like to preserve US industry and legislate
seatbelts on cutting horses or liverwurst hammers, I would take his
comparison as more practical. It was more than accurate but practical,
nein!
DOT has saddled us with behind the times regulations and devices so we won't
bash our thumbs or be able to see obstacles in time to avoid them at
reasonable speeds.
I don't get flashed, although I often annoy.
Pensionerd
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Anderson <wvukidsdoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As did/do all the overpowered H4s or overpowered halogen bulbs everyone has
> run for years, all illegal, all with the potential to annoy and cause
> glare Mike, that is my point. Let alone the euro only reflectors, and the
> E-codes, and even worse the idiots running RHD 7" reflectors on LHD cars.
> If I'm not getting flashed in over a year, it ain't annoying anyone, I'll
> keep doing it so I don't hit a moose. I read this stuff when put em in, I
> read the stuff that told me not to put the first set of Hella 55/60W H4s in
> my '78 diesel Rabbit in 1987 as well.
>
> Chalk it up to my generous disregard for fellow man, running my Honda
> generator for my wife when I camp, etc, etc, etc. Again what I am
> interested in is if anyone has put them in the stock reflectors, and if so
> were they or were they not exceptionally annoying, because if they are, I
> will refrain, if they are not, I will likely install a set and am not
> wanting to blow the $180 to find out. Who knows maybe I'll put a 4"
> stainless tip on the exhaust too, and cut a couple coils off it to lower
> it...
>
> John
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com>
> Subject: Re: HIDs? Was: Does the H4 bulb put out more light than the 9004
> bulb?
> To: "John Anderson" <wvukidsdoc@YAHOO.COM>
> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:35 PM
>
>
> At 04:01 PM 11/10/2009, John Anderson wrote...
> >Ahh baloney.
>
> No. Scientific fact.
>
>
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
>
> http://dastern.torque.net/techdocs/HID/HB1_HID_Retro.pdf
>
> Feel free to have a pissing match with the experts.
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