Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:14:37 -0800
Reply-To: Marc Sayer <marcsayer@HUGHES.NET>
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From: Marc Sayer <marcsayer@HUGHES.NET>
Subject: Re: HIDs? Was: Does the H4 bulb put out more light than the 9004
bulb?
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Well from what I can tell this kit replaces the entire reflector. That
is not what was being discussed. What was being discussed were
conversions that stuffed an HID bulb system in an H4 or 9004 housing
using the reflector designed for the H4 or 9004. Totally different
animal, and not legal anywhere in Europe as far as I know. I am sure
someone will correct me if I am wrong.
This is from the website of one of the companies selling the sort of
illegal HID kits we've been discussing, it's pretty clear. You can find
it here http://www.directconnectiontuning.com/hids.html
> NO XENON H.I.D. lighting system available from any source is DOT / E
> approved if installed outside of the factory. These kits are not
> street legal for use on public roads as they are. As a result, we
> officially endorse the kit for exhibition and off-road use and will
> only sell the kit to be used for these purposes. We are not
> responsible for customers who violate the terms of sale in which they
> will assume all responsibilities for any unauthorized or unintended
> use other than exhibition or off-road use.
Janne Ruohomäki wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com> wrote:
>
>> Feel free to point to ANY (non-3rd world) government which allows HID
>> conversions. They're all obviously under the influence of the OEM
>> headlamp cartel.
>>
>
> Well I take it that Finland and Sweden are 3rd world countries, eh ? ;)
>
> http://www.xenonvalot.com/xenonsys_fi.html
>
> At least they have been selling these here for a while now. It says on the page:
>
> "BMW E36 Hella Celis Ring ajovalosarja (E-hyväksytty)
> Vihdoin XENONIT E36:een!
> Sarja on täysin EU-määräysten mukainen. Sarja on asennettuna täysin
> laillinen ja auton voi vuosikatsastaa normaalisti."
>
> "BMW E36 Hella Celis Ring light set (E-approved)
> Finally XENONS to E36!
> Set is fully compliant to EU regulations. Set is fully legal when
> installed and car can be inspected normally"
>
> inspected normally = no need for additional change inspections like
> when You change way bigger tires or install a turbo.
>
> All it needs to have is that E-approval and height adjustments for
> newer vehicles.
>
> You see, we are not under the influence of the OEM headlamp cartel.
> But we are under OEM muffler cartel: if You have a vehicle that is
> newer than 1996 You cannot put just any muffler in Your car. Noise
> does not matter. Neither does longevity. Muffler just has to be
> E-approved for those vehicles. You can have totally empty muffler but
> if it does not leak and has E-approval You are clear to go. Luckily
> they stopped producing vanagons long before that, so everyone here can
> make their own if they wish ;)
>
>
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Marc Sayer
Journalist, Photographer, Dog Trainer (APDT member #062956)
Board member - Western States Great Dane Rescue Association
Director of Operations & Training - Deaf Dane Rescue Inc.
Oakridge, OR USA
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