Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:15 -0700
Reply-To: Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Sliding Door Handle Part?
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On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
> I dunno -- the drawing of the Seal on page 58.2 does not make it
> look like anything that could leave a black ring on the paint
> surrounding the hole where the stem of the outer handle goes
> through the door. The Seal clearly does not have any kind of "lip"
> that could form the ring I'm seeing.
>
> The Trim Ring looks like it could form a ring around the opening,
> but the puzzling bit is that my 1984 does not have the Trim Ring or
> the Seal, but it does have the Escutcheon (page 58.18) for 1985-on.
>
> So it's non-standard for the sliding door's inner panel to be held
> in place with about 10 oval-head screws in dress washers? No clips,
> no hidden bits?
I am talking about the yellow 1/8"- thick exposed panel-is that the
"inner panel" you are referring to? If so, the stock panel is held on
w/ PITA exposed plastique clip thingys, not screws like early split
window buses(pre 1965) that you are describing on your 84? Later
vanagon westies have the non visible clips, like most door panels
nowadays.
>
> If that's the case, it will be the first evidence that this van has
> had any modifications. Well, that and the presence of a 1985-and-
> later Escutcheon on the stem of the outer handle for the sliding door.
Yep, sounds like the PO had to access the handle like you are,
trashed some of the clips, & replaced them all w/ screws after fixing
the door handle & putting a 85 & later escutcheon on as the early
ones are NLA or hard to come by, which is why I don't have one(?)
when I put a new BD handle on the outside. (If they do have them I
forgot to order one & still need it)
I would take a pic, but I am out the door tomorrow 0 dark Thirty for
Maui again.
YMMV,
Mr. BZ
>
> --
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
> 74 Westrailia: (Ladybug Trailer company, San Juan Capistrano, Calif.)
> Bend, OR
> KG6RCR
>
>
>
> On 11/8/2009 5:45 PM Tom Buese wrote:
>
>> On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
>>> Hokay, So I removed the sliding door's inner panel to get at the
>>> backside
>>> of the outer handle to find out why it was getting loose.
>>>
>>> Removal of the panel was much easier than I thought it would be.
>>> In my
>>> earlier thread ("Sliding door inner panel removal -- and
>>> gotchas?" I got
>>> some good advice about getting that door off, taking care not to
>>> break any
>>> of the plastic clips, using a trim removal tool to keep from
>>> breaking the
>>> hardboard, etc., and I bought that trim removal tool from my
>>> FLAPS in
>>> preparation for the job.
>>>
>>> Only to find that the panel was held in place by eight or so oval-
>>> head
>>> screws in dress washers. All that needed to be done was take off
>>> the two
>>> inner handles and those screws and it slid right off.
>>>
>>> Maybe the 1984 van have their panels mounted differently?
>> You panel attachment has been modified-stock 84 westy has the clip
>> thingys that we talked about-yours has been modified because of
>> said issues mentioned earlier. Later westies have the blind clips
>> under the vinyl covering over the panel, which are much easier to
>> remove & thus not applicable to the discussion in regards to stock
>> 84's.
>>>
>>> ANYWAY, I found that the screw at the back end of the sliding
>>> door handle
>>> was loose, which was good news because I didn't want to find the
>>> stem
>>> cracked.
>>>
>>> There seems to be a part missing, though. The illustration for the
>>> 1980-1984 front sliding door lock on page 58.2 in Bentleys shows
>>> three
>>> dingi on the handle stem: Seal, Trim Ring, and Spacer.
>>>
>>> On my handle, I found the spacer, no Seal, and a plastic part
>>> that looks
>>> like it could be the Trim ring.
>>>
>>> But it is stamped "251.843.711" -- Bus Depot shows this part as the
>>> Escutcheon, for outside handle, 86-91 Vanagon.
>>>
>>> Bentleys shows the Escutcheon on page 58.18 (From 1985 m.y.)
>>>
>>> Did I mention that this is a 1984 Vanagon?
>>>
>>> How the heck did this van get a 1985 Escutcheon? Do I need a Seal?
>>>
>>> ALSO, There is a black ring on the outside of the sliding door
>>> itself,
>>> surrounding the hole for the handle. It's like a thin black
>>> washer stuck
>>> to the paint. It's hard to say what that is or was. A vinyl
>>> decorative
>>> appliqué bit? Or the remaining traces of a substantial part that
>>> might
>>> have vanished, like the mysterious Seal?
>> Sounds like it. The seal rots away & the door handle does not
>> mount as solidly as when that seal is replaced,
>> YMMV,
>> Mr. BZ-missing the same part
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
>>> 74 Westrailia: (Ladybug Trailer company, San Juan Capistrano,
>>> Calif.)
>>> Bend, OR
>>> KG6RCR
>> Tom Buese
>> tombuese@comcast.net <mailto:tombuese@comcast.net>
Tom Buese
tombuese@comcast.net
