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Date:         Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:00:03 -0800
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      low Vanagon content, was auto trans
Comments: To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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my knowledge and memory about older vintage American cars, say 50's and 60's ... particularly around automatic transmissions... cant' say I ever even knew that much about them. Body styles, suspension type, engines ....more maybe.

and what about Chrysler's push button automatic ? where's that fall on the "Pernundle Scale' ????

how times have changed now. I truly believe that without studying the owner's manual, or being shown how, many of us would have trouble operating a very modern, say, Mercedes Benz. I believe the owner's manual runs hundreds of pages, and just about everything is programmable. IF you can find it on the menu on the display screen.

'sorry officer I got so involved trying to adjust the base sound level on my sound system, I completely forgot that I was driving a car. I'm 6 levels into menu's and I'm still not finding it. "

whew...good thing we drive vanagons with so much nice Manual stuff on it ! and I'll tell you one auto feature I take out when I can, or find time.

- that pull the stalk to run the washers, then you get 3 sweeps of the wipers. That often doesn't work so well. If there is really mud n' crude on the windshield, I want to SOAK the windshield with the washers for like 2 full minutes, THEN run the wipers. There's a wire that can be snipped in the dash......haven't done it in about 15 years ...that will 'undo' that silly auto feature.

and now cars try to do 'everything' for you. and poor toyota ! once UNsurpassed for 'can't kill it' durability. Tercels with 454,000 miles, still running, and not badly either ! I know of all kinds of 80's era Toyota's ...all funky, never had much more than oil changes and a water pump ...... not even a timing chain on many of them........still hauling trash to the dump, still hauling firewood, etc. etc. Them days are gone baby, and ..........get this - there is even a Class Action Suit .......by a group of Two Dozen legal firms, against Toyota I think... saying that this massive recall thing has caused billions of dollars in loss from reduced resell value, due to all this recall brouhaha. So watch that if you own a Toyota. There might be a check for you eventually.

it's very, very humorous . and silly/sad/tragic.

that is why I drive a vanagon and an late 80's Volvo ... nice and fixable, work great, etc etc. Scott

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beierl" <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Friday OT...automatic trannys and driving habits observed

> At 04:32 PM 2/13/2010, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote: >>but that very old auto trans shift pattern......PNDLR > > General Motors. Ford and Chrysler went the other way and GM resisted > for a long time -- company prestige I suppose. > > :) > D


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