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Date:         Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:33:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: question about thermostat ... or not
Comments: To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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you just bypass that firewall fitting gizmo.

just forward of it is the plastic fuel line coming from the pump. Just go straight from that line to the engine, bypassing the firewall fitting.

And I recommend just run the new fuel hose around the firewall. no sense in putting a rubber grommet in the firewall hole, and running the hose through it -- just making another spot that can wear and eventually cause a fuel leak.

re clamps on injectors. I just found a running one, with the screw missing from the hose clamp ! So old fuel hose, that's hard and aged, can hold up to 35 or so psi without a clamp.

scary !

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:58 AM Subject: Re: question about thermostat ... or not

> dear miguel > i did NOT replace plastic fitting ... > i did not realize it was required to be replaced ... > what i did was remove it and then put it back with niew hose on either > side > ... > if i were to splice there ... which i could easily do ... i would require > a > push on fitting like the sort on the end of the injector ... > i thought it funny there were no clamps on the injector itself ... but > push > on fittings are push on ... > > now as i think about it i am recalling reading that that plastic bit was > for > production purposes ... grr bad roger > but i could get a two ended push on fitting to splice... > thanks for the heads up ... > yours > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:20 AM, miguel pacheco > <mundopacheco@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Roger, I wanted to address your comment regarding fuel line >> replacement. If I'm reading correctly, you ran new hose from the fuel >> tank to the firewall. Does this mean that you inserted the fuel line >> into the plastic teat that is bolted to the firewall? I'm assuming >> you know that you need to eliminate this teat and go with new hose all >> the way to the injectors, then out to the fuel regulator, then out of >> the regulator, at least to the other side of the firewall. Old fuel >> hose and the plastic teat (both perilously residing inside your engine >> compartment) were your main threat and still are. >> Miguel >> >> I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. >> - Thomas A. Edison >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > dear dennis >> > yes other problems are certainly afoot >> > i purchased a vanagon with a reported new engine ... indeed less than >> 1000 >> > miles on it ... >> > unfortunately ... the person who did the engine work replaced ony one >> > or >> two >> > hoses and very little else .. >> > today i replaced all fuel lines from tank outlet to the just behind the >> > firewall grommet ... including new injector seals etc .. >> > so tonight as i was checking for perfection of fuel line replacement >> > .... >> we >> > noticed a smoke like stuff coming from around the fitting that joins >> > the >> > block to the thermostat housing ... off to part store to get new hose >> > to >> > replace because some lazy mechanic fixed with some disintegrating stuff >> that >> > was decomposing and burning off ... but until now had gone un noticed >> > due >> to >> > all the other stuff that required attention drawing our concentration >> > ... >> > so what is actually wrong with thermostat .... it is seized ... >> discovered >> > by boiling and then closly inspecting under brighter light >> > in the pot it doesnt even move ... >> > this van had not moved in several years ... >> > so there are some issues ... >> > and yes tires replaced to get ride of old weathered ones ... >> > yours >> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> I have to ask how you find yourself in a situation that you suddenly >> need a >> >> thermostat with an engine that only has 1,000 miles on it and you also >> now >> >> have to go on a trip. Thermostats do not suddenly fail without cause >> >> so >> >> what >> >> are the symptoms? >> >> >> >> The waterboxer thermostat is not a simple open/close device. It is >> really >> >> used as a mixing valve and the goal is to continuously circulate water >> in >> >> the engine to maintain constant temperatures between the heads and the >> rest >> >> of the engine. As the thermostat opens to allow flow to the radiator >> >> it >> >> also >> >> closes a bypass. The design keeps temperatures close throughout. Not >> only >> >> is >> >> it important to maintain temperature but an uncontrolled rush of cold >> >> coolant from the radiator to hot heads can spell certain trouble. >> >> Also, >> >> without the bypass closing you may not get enough flow at idle or >> >> during >> >> hill climbs to properly cool the engine especially if you have the >> radiator >> >> partly blocked off. There are a lot of dynamics going on here. >> >> >> >> My bet is that if you suddenly experienced cooling systems problems >> while >> >> on >> >> your trip the thermostat is not your only problem if that is even the >> >> problem at all. Something else is going on. >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >> >> Behalf >> Of >> >> Roger Whittaker >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:19 AM >> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> >> Subject: question about thermostat ... or not >> >> >> >> dear fellow vanagoners >> >> >> >> i am in a position where i am making a 20 hour drive with out the >> >> thermostat >> >> in place on a 1984 vanagon >> >> with a 2.1 digifant replacement engine (2005) with less than 1000 >> >> miles >> on >> >> it ... >> >> >> >> benny boy says the thermostat is crucial to proper performance of >> injector >> >> system >> >> then he writes about living in very cold quebec ... >> >> >> >> i am in the very pleasant northwest ... >> >> >> >> i will of course replace thermostat with proper item once back home >> >> >> >> will 20 hour drive cause problems ... >> >> what about a four hour drive to get parts then ??? >> >> yours >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> roger w >> >> From Proverbs: >> >> Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: a >> >> servant who becomes king ... >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >> >> View the growing list of video work at: >> >> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > roger w >> > From Proverbs: >> > Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: a >> > servant who becomes king ... >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> > Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >> > View the growing list of video work at: >> > http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >> > >> > > > > -- > roger w > From Proverbs: > Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: a > servant who becomes king ... > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ > View the growing list of video work at: > http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners


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