Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:34:37 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Now what have I done.... Flashing oil light??
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you can sort of prime the oil pump on a waterboxer.
In any case where there is a desire for a primed oil system on a waterboxer
engine ......
Fill the oil filter carefully, with good clean oil. I say carefully,
because pouring oil into the center hole of the oil filter is adding to the
bearing,side, and non-filtered side, of the paper element in the OF.
While the OF is off, you can also pump oil with an oil can into the gears of
the oil pump through where the OF came off, or I think you can anyway.
is the 'new' oil pump identical in every dimension to the one that came off
?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tobin Copley" <tcopley@SFU.CA>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Now what have I done.... Flashing oil light??
> On a diesel, one can remove the vacuum pump to come in above the oil
> pump and spin the pump shaft directly with a 6-point socket on a long
> extension connected to an electric drill running at high rpm. It can
> take 30 seconds or more of fast spinning, but it primes up that way.
>
> I have no idea if you can do a similar thing on a 2.1 waterboxer, but
> someone else can chip in on this.
>
> One thing for sure, if you truly don't have oil pressure, do NOT keep
> trying to run/spin the engine!
>
> T.
>
>
>
> On 2010-03-06, at 5:57 PM, Greg Potts <greg@pottsfamily.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tobin,
>>
>> My Dad said basically the same thing about the pump not being
>> primed. I wonder if there's a way to prime it?
>> </Greg>
>>
>> Tobin Copley wrote:
>>> Not at all sure about the design of that pump (I have a diesel),
>>> but is it possible the pump has lost it's prime?
>>> Pull the pressure sender and crank the motor. If oil gushes out the
>>> hole, you have pressure; if not you don't, and may have a priming
>>> problem.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> T.
>>> On 2010-03-06, at 4:42 PM, Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA> wrote:
>>>> Hi Volks,
>>>>
>>>> I spent what I thought would be a productive day out in the
>>>> driveway and
>>>> was able to solve the leaking oil pump cover.
>>>>
>>>> As it turned out, the pump cover gasket had come apart and there
>>>> was a
>>>> section missing from one side of it, which was probably the cause
>>>> of the
>>>> leak. But I also noticed a sizeable smear of galled metal embedded
>>>> in
>>>> the pump cover that had come from one of the pump gears. Not a
>>>> good sign.
>>>>
>>>> Now, as it happens I do have a pair of surplus 1.9L longblocks here
>>>> awaiting teardown and disposal. So I pulled the oil pump out of
>>>> each of
>>>> them and compared it to the one from my van... One cover plate was
>>>> only
>>>> slightly better, the other was near perfect. So I opted to install
>>>> the
>>>> near perfect one, along with the pump itself.
>>>>
>>>> I fished a fresh cover plate gasket out of my spares pile and set to
>>>> getting it all back together. As usual, getting the exhaust back in
>>>> place was pretty frustrating, but eventually I was able to get it
>>>> all
>>>> back together, top off the fluids and turn the key.
>>>>
>>>> It's ticking like it has a sad lifter. No worries, that will pump
>>>> up and
>>>> go away soon enough. It's also steaming a lot as the spilled coolant
>>>> burns off the exhaust pipes. But then I notice the flashing oil
>>>> light on
>>>> the dash, and I shut down the engine.
>>>>
>>>> Turn the key to ON, and the light flashes. Start the engine, and it
>>>> still flashes; it doesn't go away with more RPMs.
>>>>
>>>> I double-check the pressure sender wiring, and it's intact. Kind
>>>> of a
>>>> longshot, as I never touched it today and it was fine yesterday. I
>>>> suspect something might be wrong with this oil pump; though I can't
>>>> imagine what. I didn't have oil pressure problems with the donor
>>>> motor
>>>> before it was pulled, and the gears and plate looked to be in better
>>>> condition than what I had. But this is new territory for me, and
>>>> there
>>>> might be more to this than I expected.
>>>>
>>>> I checked the archives and don't see anything directly relating to
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> I have an VDO oil pressure gauge set-up attached to my baywindow
>>>> van; I
>>>> am thinking that tomorrow I will remove the sender and intall it
>>>> on the
>>>> vanagon and see what's really happening back there.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone here has any helpful advice I'd REALLY appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Happy Trails,
>>>>
>>>> Greg Potts
>>>> Toronto, Ontario Canada
>>>> 1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
>>>> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
>>>> www.busesofthecorn.com
>>>> www.pottsfamily.ca
>>
>>
>> --
>> Happy Trails,
>>
>> Greg Potts
>> Toronto, Ontario Canada
>> 1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
>> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
>> www.busesofthecorn.com
>> www.pottsfamily.ca
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