Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:21:14 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Cause of the white corrosion deposit around a battery?
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All very excellent information.,
Now, the converse question ..
How come None of the batteries in my dozen-plus vehicles ever have any of
that battery white stuff on them. ? ?
Really, it just does not happen to batteries and cars I own and operate.
One nice Battery Cleaner ...in a spray can that I highly recommend ...
is the type that turns red when it contacts battery acid....and neutralizes
it too.
You'd be surprised how much acid there is on the top of convention lead-acid
batteries sometimes ...which the spray identifies by turning it red.
That thin coat of acid gets there from the battery charging process I
think...
and it conducts electricity ...just milliamps ....and that contributes
slightly to running down the battery on a sitting car.
So clean it off of course !
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Cause of the white corrosion deposit around a battery?
> to more completely answer the question, I believe the deposit is metal
> sulfate produced when sulfate condensate from the battery comes in
> contact with metal. Either grease or oil will prevent it. If you want to
> get fancy, most battery vendors sell little felt circles impregnated with
> a substance that blocks the corrosion from developing. Just slip the disc
> over the post and tighten down the clamp. They come in red for the
> positive post, green for the negative, and they work. If you do use oil
> or grease, remember to tighten the clamp down before greasing the post, of
> course. There is also a special material sold in a squirt can. It coats
> the terminals with a purplish plastic like substance that also blocks
> condensate and air from the terminals but in no way prevents clamp
> removal.
>
> So far as only the positive post corroding, I believe the sulfate can
> condense on any surfaces in the vicinity of the battery. In extreme
> cases, the entire support system for the battery will fail. If the
> corrosion were from oxygen rather than sulfate, then on steel parts, the
> substance would be rust red. Now, eventually such parts do rust, if the
> sulfate corrosion doesn't get them first.
>
> In the simple case, perhaps the lead post itself is corroded with a simple
> lead oxide, but when the corrosion is over other parts, it is metal
> sulfate.
>
> DMc
>
> ---- Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
>> It's corrosion and should only be on the positive terminal.
>>
>> Sometimes you have a leaky seal around a post but this is rare these
>> days.
>> More often the corrosion is because the + side of the battery attracts
>> oxygen ions from the air and the oxygen interacts with the metal, causing
>> the corrosion.
>>
>> There are a lot of "fixes" you can buy but the best one is to put a drop
>> of
>> oil on the terminal every time you check your oil. The oil will spread
>> out
>> into a thin film & will protect the terminal from corrosion.
>>
>> Some people put grease on the terminals. Grease will also work but you
>> need
>> to make sure to cover the entire terminal, even the bottom edge of the
>> clamp. If you don't then any exposed metal will corrode.
>>
>> Tom
>> www.kegkits.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Don Hanson
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:04 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Cause of the white corrosion deposit around a battery?
>>
>> What makes the powdery white or gray deposits on some of the metal
>> parts
>> around the van batteries? Actually my Vanagon stays pretty free of the
>> deposit, but we inherited a 2.5 Subaru Forester that gets it bad. We
>> stored
>> it down in Californa during the summer and use it as a vacation car. We
>> opened it, around Xmas time to find the battery(disconnected but fully
>> charged) was covered with a whitish powdery deposits, heaviest on the
>> hold-down ring and the clamps, but also under the batt on the tray. I
>> bought another new battery...and cleaned everything up with baking soda,
>> like a good little car guy before installing that one...
>>
>> We brought it back to the NW...(shhhh...I'm hoping to finesse it (the
>> motor) from my wife, eventually..for use in a ....) and I just noticed
>> that
>> the hold-down clamps and the retaining ring is again almost pure white
>> with
>> a fine powdery substance...Both my Ford Diesel trucks do the same thing,
>> but
>> to a lesser degree.
>>
>> What the heck is this stuff and how do you prevent it forming?
>>
>> Don Hanson
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