Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:58:56 -0500
Reply-To: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: first try = first run = no running anymore
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If you did what I did once, it started and purred once you put gas in the tank.
They don't like being jacked up in the back.
Jim
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whew,,,, ok all is well and after my ego recovers for discovering why it was
> not starting I'll inform anyone who is interested.
>
> It purrs pretty now, got the timing set just right and the cooling system is
> bled. Not a SINGLE leak yet! I'm pretty happy bout that part.
>
> peace and thanks to all
> -Ry
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> good thinking on the possible damaged hall sender.
>>
>> It is REALLY helpful to have a Remote Starter Switch to connect to your
>> starter trigger terminal while working on your engine like this.
>> that way you are right there watching things closely while cranking it on
>> the starter ( just turn the key on up front if you want the ignition on, of
>> course )
>>
>> also...
>> a Remote starter Switch ...a tool you buy at any FLAPS ..
>> is excellent to have onboard for self-rescue ...
>> say the ignition switch isn't working like it should.. You're not stuck.
>> You have another way to operate the starter.
>>
>> and it's a super diagnostic tool..
>> 'cause when you operate your starter with a remote starter switch, you are
>> taking the rest of the van out of the picture ..
>> so you can more easily tell if it's the starter itself that's acting up, or
>> if it's wiring/ignition switch etc.
>>
>> I simply could not fix cars or vans without one. I use it 5 times a month
>> at least.
>> Lots of other uses too.
>>
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ry" <rylincoln@GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:40 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: first try = first run = no running anymore
>>
>>
>> Gave Jake's suggestion a try. Same result, It sounds like maybe only one
>>> cylinder fires. I was home on lunch break so that's all I did. I have a
>>> friend coming over at 4pm so that he can crank and I can check for spark
>>> at
>>> each plug.
>>>
>>> I think unknowingly I damaged the hall sensor. I think this because when I
>>> removed the distributor to inspect it last night I couldn't easily turn
>>> the
>>> center shaft until i tweaked the metal cup with the cutouts a bit. Maybe
>>> It
>>> got banged while I had it stored in a box waiting for the new engine.
>>>
>>> :-|
>>>
>>> -Ry
>>> http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jake de Villiers <
>>> crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like the timing's maybe a little advanced - retard it 3/8" of an
>>>> inch and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>> Clockwise would be retard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help folks. I'm still troubleshooting it. Mark, I DO
>>>>> have
>>>>> my
>>>>> transmission filled with oil, I promise, rigged up a nice long hose and
>>>>> big
>>>>> funnel hanging from rear a/c grating worked great for filling it up.
>>>>> Miguel, I removed the plugs and #2 and #4 were carbon coated more than
>>>>> the
>>>>> rest, I cleaned them all. Scott thanks for the advice on raising the
>>>>> rearend and letting the wheels spin a bit to get the oil all up in brand
>>>>> new
>>>>> transmission, I'll be doing that once I get the engine started again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a photo of my distributor and TDC settings.
>>>>> http://is.gd/aM4Dz
>>>>>
>>>>> And some audio of me cranking the engine with timing set by eye as best
>>>>> I
>>>>> know how. It fires just a little bit.
>>>>> http://is.gd/aM4Cs
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again to all.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ry
>>>>> http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Benny boy <huotb@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > When something work and you move/touch something and it's stop >
>>>>> working,
>>>>> go
>>>>> > back in time and put it the way it was before. Double check what you >
>>>>> did
>>>>> > that could have created the problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Timing may be way off and it was somewhat ok with the plug wire not at
>>>>> the
>>>>> > right position. Now you need to make sure TDC is right and concord >
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> > rotor/distributor cap.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What is wrong now is timing. Maybe the distributor gear is not align?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The basic of TDC
>>>>> > http://www.benplace.com/tdc.htm
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ben
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:31:47 -0500, Ry <rylincoln@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >ok so I made a mistake. i had the spark plugs hooked up on the
>>>>> > distributor
>>>>> > >cap so that it was firing 1-2-3-4 instead of 1-4-3-2 even though I
>>>>> KNEW
>>>>> > >what it was supposed to be, just a late evening working all day >
>>>>> >shoulda
>>>>> > >taken a break mistake.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >Thing is it started right up that way though was rough and a bit
>>>>> loud(now
>>>>> > i
>>>>> > >know why!).
>>>>> > >Now that I got it all hooked up proper like, it doesn't want to >
>>>>> >start,
>>>>> it
>>>>> > >has sputtered a few times. :( did i do something awful?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >I'm letting it rest right now and charging the batter(i didn't try so
>>>>> long
>>>>> > >that i let the battery go dead, just knew it hadn't been charged in
>>>>> more
>>>>> > >than a month)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >sigh... any hep?
>>>>> > >-Ry
>>>>> > >http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, mark drillock <mdrillock@cox.net>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> I hope you did manage to put oil in the tranny before running the
>>>>> engine
>>>>> > >> much. You can ruin the dry tranny without driving the van, since >
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> > engine
>>>>> > >> will always turn the tranny mainshaft.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Mark
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Ry wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> Update:
>>>>> > >>> A few loose bolts on engine tin, timing not dialed in yet, coolant
>>>>> > system
>>>>> > >>> needs to be bled some more(not that hard imho) and DOH i forgot to
>>>>> put
>>>>> > >>> trans
>>>>> > >>> oil in BEFORE i bolted it all up and made it more difficult to do.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> BUT first try and it started right up :)
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jake
>>>>
>>>> 1984 Vanagon GL
>>>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>>>>
>>>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>>>
>>>> www.thebassspa.com
>>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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