Date:         Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:06:51 -0000
Reply-To:     Arkady Mirvis <arkadymirvis@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Arkady Mirvis <arkadymirvis@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Toyota issue
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Hello, listees,

I see here, in Portugal, many Toyota cars and Priuses. Toyota cars do enjoy
enjoy the highest reputation. Not on Internet, not in the media here there
was not a single bad word about Toyota. In the opinion of informed portugues
owners of Toyotas the hysteria, the witch-hunt  in USA against Toyota is
just the next episode, continuation of shameless history of attempts  to
destroy the competitor. Nobody ever proved that Audi did really did run-away
in the eighties. Independent reputable Swedish test company found nothing
wrong with Audi  5000 ( a European car of the year ) against which a
rigorous compaign to expose and discredit Audi on the pretext of
safeguarding the public welfare was staged. Who was behind? Ford Motor Co.
with its "jellybean" Taurus! Sales of Audi fell to the point that Audi was
thinking of leaving USA. Audi is probably the most respected name in
Portugal!
And now we see GM, after it lost its top place to Toyota, is behind the
compaign. Americans must remember how Ross Perot left GM in disgust because
of the behavior, as he called the board of directors, "the club of
millioners". Americans must remember what GM did to DeLorean, the genious,
bold man, who said: "I will show GM how to build the real car, not those
monstrous behemots".
One with no effort will find info on millions of GM vehicles being recalled,
but will not find polite Japanese fanning a compaign to discredit GM.
What is amazing is how easy the media can make a lot of Americans into
credulous fools overnighgt. Only yesterday Toyota was on the top of the list
of reliability and satisfaction.

A. Mirvis


----- Original Message -----
From: "miguel pacheco" <mundopacheco@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: offensive video


Takes much more than that to offend me, but I will say that less of
that will make a better world and not the other way around. Way too
much of that flying around these days, along with poor manners
(especially table manners,) disrespect for others, disrespect for
private property, disrespect for good grammar, etc. Along with that,
it's difficult to disrespect the dead, no matter how stupid.....
Miguel

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
  - Thomas A. Edison



On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> well...........
> I would have been much happier with a simple explantion in words or what
> the
> fail-safe methods are to shut down a runaway Prius.
>
> If I hadn't met Paul in person I'd be tempted to say 'Is that you in the
> video Paul ? ' ....lol -:)
>
> shaking my head here ..I am highly in favor of near unrestriced freedom of
> speech and expression..
> but .......whew .....
> and I don't mind the F word at all used for expression here and there ...
> but man ..
> I sure can't watch anything like this to the end ...
> too boring and , content is about 5 % ..the rest is just drama and
> baloney.
> I sure hope the guy in the video does'nt speak to his girl friend or
> friends and people in his life like he speaks the the video camera in this
> vid.
>
> The dominating experience I get with this vid is what an offensive oaf the
> guy in the video is ..
> I never even got to learn much about stopping a Prius.
>
> Got a decent useful educational video about stopping a runaway Prius ?...
> instead of the rediculous major Turn Off this one is ?
>
> ah ...thanks but no thanks for posting it !
>
> oh ...and for a Fridae subject - I just want to express appreaciation for
> all the vanagon wisedom and support/help there is on this list !
> The total combined briliance/knowledge is most impressive.
>
> And for those who don't know....Paul G. is heavily into Prius cars ...
> about like we are with vanagons I believe., and he's a vanagon guy too !
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: offensive video
>
>
>> Gee Dave, which part of Paul's warning didn't you understand? It looks
>> pretty comprehensive to me.
>>
>> You read the disclaimer and CHOSE of your own free will to be subjected
>> to
>> a
>> barrage of F bombs and now you're complaining? I bet you watched all the
>> way to the end too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> There was no need to post this to the list. Fact is, the meaningful
>>> content (how to stop the vehicle) had been described on the list when
>>> the
>>> discussion originally occurred. The exact procedure described in the
>>> video
>>> was included in the original discussion, just with civility. Of course
>>> the
>>> video was offensive, and not just for the language. I can only imagine
>>> that
>>> offense was your intention, as it certainly was the intention of those
>>> who
>>> made the video and posted it originally.
>>>
>>> Further, the moderators asked us at the time of the original discussion
>>> not
>>> to discuss this matter further, as it is not relevant to the purpose of
>>> the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> David McNeely
>>>
>>> ---- Paul Guzyk <paullist08@GUZYK.COM> wrote:
>>> > There has been a lot of media attention about runaway Toyota vehicles
>>> lately.
>>> >
>>> > Below is one persons "how to stop a Prius" video. These techniques
>>> > would
>>> work on a vanagon as well.
>>> >
>>> > Disclaimer; the video is extremely offensive to many, especially if
>>> > you
>>> don't like hearing the "F" word repeatedly....but his point about driver
>>> training and understanding how vehicles work is spot on.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ4PtafRB9c&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
>> 1984 Vanagon GL
>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>>
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>
>> www.thebassspa.com
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>