Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:32:24 -0700
Reply-To: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: It's Phinally Phriedae,
and Drug prohibition created the drug lords. (was (ironically)
Re: HIJACKED - update)
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I agree wholeheartedly. Both for practical and philosophical reasons. And
I consider self a conservative, but don't vote for Red or Blue.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Mike South <msouth@gmail.com> wrote:
> The subject says it all. If you (you collectively/rhetorically, like
> "one",
> not singling anyone out) are one of the people that thinks we need to do a
> better job of cracking down on drug production and use, you are one of the
> people that is creating the problems Mexico is facing now. There's just no
> way to avoid responsibility--you _are_ who's doing that to Mexico.
>
> It's not hard to grow marijuana. There's no reason for it to be expensive.
> Make it illegal, and, therefore, (artificially) scarce--the price goes up,
> and the invisible hand of the market grabs every nearby person of
> questionable ethics that would like to get rich quick and shoves them into
> that space.
>
> You think you're doing a good thing by "taking drugs off the streets". The
> drugs are still there, and instead of removin drugs, you've added thugs.
> It
> would be some amiable pothead or spaced out Timothy Leary disciple selling
> or sharing, and what you have instead is a completely morality-free,
> violent-as-he-needs-to-be person who can make a killing if he can get
> enough
> kids hooked, because you provided him an incentive to do so.
>
> Keeping drugs illegal is not a conservative position, if by conservative
> you
> mean respectful of the Constitution. It is not a compassionate position,
> if
> by compassionate you mean actually helping people. It is a position of
> people who either ignorantly or deliberately believe it is ok to force
> their
> will on other people who have done nothing to them.
>
> A plant grows in the ground. You take a gun, put it to another man's head,
> and say "smoke that and I'll lock you up". How hard is it to see the
> abject
> immorality of that position? Seriously.
>
> Yours in raving libertarianism,
>
> mike
>
> PS No, I'm not a user, nor do I even use alcohol or tobacco. I just know
> where my rights end and yours begin.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Mexico is full of great people. It's government is one of the most
> corrupt
> > in the world, so that despite having a plethora of rich natural
> resources,
> > many people are dirt poor. I've enjoyed all the time I've spent there,
> > including field trips that I took students on deep into the country. Met
> > some of the most generous, most friendly, and most fun loving people I've
> > ever known anywhere. Never ran into the bozo criminals who have become
> more
> > prevalent in recent years. And why have they become more prevalent? The
> > drug lords control the government, the police, much of the countryside.
> Why
> > are the drug lords so powerful? U.S. drug money. If we want Mexico to
> > become a functional country again, all we have to do is control drug
> traffic
> > in this country. No market, no industry. Something for some to think
> > about.
> >
> > DMc
> >
> > ---- pdooley <psdooley@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
> > > Apparently bandits down there also use logs or debris to block the
> road.
> > > Basically anything to get you to stop.
> > > The book I'm reading tells a story of a traveling salesman who was
> robbed
> > by
> > > a man with an AK-47 riding on a donkey..
> > > Interesting place, that Mexico. I love to read about it but would
> never
> > go
> > > there.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:52 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: HIJACKED - update
> > >
> > > I hope at the minimum, people in Mexico will realize now ...
> > > if they see vehicles parked by the side of the road in any kind of
> remote
> > > area like this ..
> > > turn around and head back the other way pronto !
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Condelli" <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:06 AM
> > > Subject: HIJACKED - update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Folks, here are links to two articles published in the Canadian
> press
> > > > about the two couples that were hijacked in Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > _http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html_
> > > > (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html)
> > > >
> > > > _http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html_
> > > > (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please note that I will be away from my business travelling in the
> USA
> > > > and
> > > > Mexico from November 18, 2009 until April 30, 2010. Parts orders
> will
> > be
> > > > processed although not as quickly as usual. I will always be
> > available
> > > > by
> > > > E-mail. If you phone, your call will be addressed by Greg T. Brown
> > here
> > > > and he will either call you back or advise you to contact me directly
> > by
> > > > E-mail. See my _www.frankcondelli.com_ (
> http://www.frankcondelli.com/
> > )
> > > > website for complete details. Travel Blog at
> > _www.westfaliatravels.com_
> > > > (http://www.westfaliatravels.com/)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Frank Condelli
> > > >
> > > > Almonte, Ontario, Canada
> > > > '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (_Collection for sale_
> > > > (http://frankcondelli.com/trainsal.htm) )
> > > > _Frank Condelli & Associates_ (
> http://frankcondelli.com/busindex.html)
> > -
> > > > Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
> > > > _Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems_
> > > > (http://frankcondelli.com/exhaust.htm)
> > > > _BusFusion_ (http://www.busfusion.com/) a VW Camper camping event,
> > > > Almonte, ON, June 10 ~ 13, 2010
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
> >
>
--
Neil2
'82 Diesel Westfalia (USS Tinosa)
'86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (SaVannah)
'08 170" 2500 Mega Roof Dodge Sprinter (Moby)
Fulltiming since August 2008
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