Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:59:47 -0500
Reply-To: Michael Sullivan <sandwichhead@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Michael Sullivan <sandwichhead@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: It's Phinally Phriedae,
and Drug prohibition created the drug lords. (was (ironically)
Re: HIJACKED - update)
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Give it time.... this is Phrydae!. And if you have been on the list for a
week and have NOT learned anything at all, you are either *really* good or
not paying attention.
Michael in San Antonio
91GL Weekender AT 2.1L 'Gringo'
73 Beetle
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jay lefstein <jleftbrane@gmail.com> wrote:
> I signed up for this mailing lis last weekend, so far it seems like a
> bunch of bored people venting..
> this is about vanagons right?
>
> On 15-Apr-10, at 11:49 PM, Mike South wrote:
>
> The subject says it all. If you (you collectively/rhetorically,
>> like "one",
>> not singling anyone out) are one of the people that thinks we need
>> to do a
>> better job of cracking down on drug production and use, you are one
>> of the
>> people that is creating the problems Mexico is facing now. There's
>> just no
>> way to avoid responsibility--you _are_ who's doing that to Mexico.
>>
>> It's not hard to grow marijuana. There's no reason for it to be
>> expensive.
>> Make it illegal, and, therefore, (artificially) scarce--the price
>> goes up,
>> and the invisible hand of the market grabs every nearby person of
>> questionable ethics that would like to get rich quick and shoves
>> them into
>> that space.
>>
>> You think you're doing a good thing by "taking drugs off the
>> streets". The
>> drugs are still there, and instead of removin drugs, you've added
>> thugs. It
>> would be some amiable pothead or spaced out Timothy Leary disciple
>> selling
>> or sharing, and what you have instead is a completely morality-free,
>> violent-as-he-needs-to-be person who can make a killing if he can
>> get enough
>> kids hooked, because you provided him an incentive to do so.
>>
>> Keeping drugs illegal is not a conservative position, if by
>> conservative you
>> mean respectful of the Constitution. It is not a compassionate
>> position, if
>> by compassionate you mean actually helping people. It is a position
>> of
>> people who either ignorantly or deliberately believe it is ok to
>> force their
>> will on other people who have done nothing to them.
>>
>> A plant grows in the ground. You take a gun, put it to another
>> man's head,
>> and say "smoke that and I'll lock you up". How hard is it to see
>> the abject
>> immorality of that position? Seriously.
>>
>> Yours in raving libertarianism,
>>
>> mike
>>
>> PS No, I'm not a user, nor do I even use alcohol or tobacco. I
>> just know
>> where my rights end and yours begin.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mexico is full of great people. It's government is one of the most
>>> corrupt
>>> in the world, so that despite having a plethora of rich natural
>>> resources,
>>> many people are dirt poor. I've enjoyed all the time I've spent
>>> there,
>>> including field trips that I took students on deep into the
>>> country. Met
>>> some of the most generous, most friendly, and most fun loving
>>> people I've
>>> ever known anywhere. Never ran into the bozo criminals who have
>>> become more
>>> prevalent in recent years. And why have they become more
>>> prevalent? The
>>> drug lords control the government, the police, much of the
>>> countryside. Why
>>> are the drug lords so powerful? U.S. drug money. If we want
>>> Mexico to
>>> become a functional country again, all we have to do is control
>>> drug traffic
>>> in this country. No market, no industry. Something for some to
>>> think
>>> about.
>>>
>>> DMc
>>>
>>> ---- pdooley <psdooley@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently bandits down there also use logs or debris to block the
>>>> road.
>>>> Basically anything to get you to stop.
>>>> The book I'm reading tells a story of a traveling salesman who was
>>>> robbed
>>>>
>>> by
>>>
>>>> a man with an AK-47 riding on a donkey..
>>>> Interesting place, that Mexico. I love to read about it but would
>>>> never
>>>>
>>> go
>>>
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>
>>> Of
>>>
>>>> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:52 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: HIJACKED - update
>>>>
>>>> I hope at the minimum, people in Mexico will realize now ...
>>>> if they see vehicles parked by the side of the road in any kind of
>>>> remote
>>>> area like this ..
>>>> turn around and head back the other way pronto !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Frank Condelli" <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
>>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:06 AM
>>>> Subject: HIJACKED - update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Folks, here are links to two articles published in the Canadian
>>>>> press
>>>>> about the two couples that were hijacked in Mexico.
>>>>>
>>>>> _http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html_
>>>>> (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html)
>>>>>
>>>>> _http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html_
>>>>> (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that I will be away from my business travelling in
>>>>> the USA
>>>>> and
>>>>> Mexico from November 18, 2009 until April 30, 2010. Parts
>>>>> orders will
>>>>>
>>>> be
>>>
>>>> processed although not as quickly as usual. I will always be
>>>>>
>>>> available
>>>
>>>> by
>>>>> E-mail. If you phone, your call will be addressed by Greg T. Brown
>>>>>
>>>> here
>>>
>>>> and he will either call you back or advise you to contact me
>>>>> directly
>>>>>
>>>> by
>>>
>>>> E-mail. See my _www.frankcondelli.com_ (http://www.frankcondelli.com/
>>>>>
>>>> )
>>>
>>>> website for complete details. Travel Blog at
>>>>>
>>>> _www.westfaliatravels.com_
>>>
>>>> (http://www.westfaliatravels.com/)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Condelli
>>>>>
>>>>> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
>>>>> '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (_Collection for sale_
>>>>> (http://frankcondelli.com/trainsal.htm) )
>>>>> _Frank Condelli & Associates_ (http://frankcondelli.com/busindex.html
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>> -
>>>
>>>> Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
>>>>> _Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems_
>>>>> (http://frankcondelli.com/exhaust.htm)
>>>>> _BusFusion_ (http://www.busfusion.com/) a VW Camper camping
>>>>> event,
>>>>> Almonte, ON, June 10 ~ 13, 2010
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> David McNeely
>>>
>>>
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