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Date:         Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:28:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: It's Phinally Phriedae,
              and Drug prohibition created the drug lords. (
Comments: To: Marc Perdue <mcperdue@GMAIL.COM>
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Love your comments Marc, about 'addiction' ...

it is NOT just 'the drug' it's the entire ritual and cultural link about it. Notice.....a large part of most drugs is, first the preparation ( japanese tea ceremony carrys this to extreme for example...the preparation is very ritualized ) then there's the hand-mouth thing.

Licoroce say ....licorice is not very addictive as a sumstance...but eating licorice can be addictive. you get the stuff, you open the package, you start stuffing it into your mouth ... it's comforting .......just the 'behavior' ......'the act of it' ...........not just the substance is what can be comforting or addictive.

if the act also links you to other people...say you hang out at licorice bars a lot - that also is a HUGE part of the high - it's 'family' ... and licirice is the common link. There are solidary drug addicts, but the social part of it is a large factor.

Darn right grass is relaitvely benign and that likely ot smokers tend to drive more carefully. "Officer, I'n not impared. In fact, I would impared without a hit or two, since I don't even feel right without a hit or two.'

like to see that stand up in court ! the way courts are going this day, it will too sometime.

re Why aren't the taxes that I'm paying as a result of my cigarette habit > going into a fund to pay for my increased health expenses that result > from my smoking?

reminds me of how in Oregon, like many states there is a Lottery system, AND ...there is a state program to help people with Gambling Addcition. Why offer a possibly-life and familly distroying additive behavior, then programs to treat abuse .... why even offer it in the first place ! I think gaming is a SICK way to geneate government funds, and I can't really support casinos on Indian Reservations. Games and gambling are fun for sure now and then ....but to use it for revenue generating ...come on, we can do better than that !

re that taxes for health programs. I have for a long time been totally appalled by people working in toll boothes..........where( most ) every car stops, then zooms off , and the toll takers are right there breathing that air. Who is going to pay for their lung deseases after 30 or fewer years on that job ?? pretty dysdunctinal , I think it's fair to say.

It does appear that alchohol is as high quality as it ever was, and that the price is reasonable......since governemnt took over regulation and taxing of alcohol. I doubt that most pot smokers think that governement suppled or regulated and taxed pot would be as 'rewarding' as what the industry provides now. It will be ineteresting to watch as it unfolds.

bottom line though, Addictive Behavior is extremely common..and the substance itself is only an, actually, small part of that.

I have proof of that too ........that it's the pyscholigical factor in addiction that is a main factor, and not the substance.

Most people realize how additive cigarette smoking is. It is usually just hell for anyone to quite cigarettes...extremely addictive, the whole thing ...the drug affect , the hand-mouth thing etc.

I visited my parents in Hawaii once, when I would 'just die' if they knew I smoked cirarettes. I was there about 12 days. No gravings. I did not sneak out and get a cigarette. No problem doing that.

The second I got to my regular work envirnoenment....where I always smoked, yup, can't really quite think or function without a cigartte. Which shows that it's the Psychological Factor that is at least as big as the substance itself factor. Actually ...the substance itself is a small part of the equation- though it's far better ( less bad actually to be addicted to say, coffee than meth say. And 'the environmewnt' is a huge factor in the addiction. the way I quit cigarettes is I quit everything ...sugar, meat, alchohol, work...everything. I completely changed my entire circumstances and environmewnt, then I didn't touch a cigarette for year and years. It's really easy to slip back with that one.

but really 'most people' do some addictive behavior or habbits, and to condeme Addiction Itself as a really bad horrible thing is to not recognize that most people are one 'something' .....like that morning cup of coffeee say. After all, coffee is 'the drink' of American - you go to a Denny's resturant - they are right there with the coffee, first thing.

it's not big deal, just be respnsible about it is all !

and the government,..........it must drive them nutty in california being however many billions short on funds to work with, and there's all those hippies ( and unfortunately mexico -based gangs ) growing the stuff, and making big bucks off it. (pot ) They must loose sleep over that ... members of government seeing all that money flow that they are not gettting a cut of, but they also don't want to come right out and admit that they've been 'wrong' all this time about pot.

What a funny world ! It's really humorous. I just discovered this suppliment ....called Happy Camper. Based on kava kave root. They claim it will make you feel 'really good, like happy relaxed mood' . They warn about use with alchohol though ...possible liver damage. But I think that stuff might work !

smiles, S.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Perdue" <mcperdue@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: It's Phinally Phriedae, and Drug prohibition created the drug lords. (

> Amen to much of what Scott said. Here are a couple of things I think > about on occasion: > > If I'm driving on a very busy highway, I'd prefer that nobody be out > of their mind on any kind of drug, alcohol, pot, whatever. However, > if I were to be surrounded by people that were on something, I'd > prefer it be marijuana. Think about it . . . alcohol tends to get rid > of your inhibitions and make you think you can do things that you > can't. People who drink think they can drive responsibly and they > think they can control their vehicle even though their reactions are > impaired. Pot smokers tend to get paranoid and drive more slowly, > probably more carefully, but I don't know if this has ever been > measured. > > Marijuana isn't addictive, period. > > There is as much tar in one joint as there is in 7 cigarettes. One > pack-a-day of cigarettes, 3 joints . . . Yes, of course there's a lot > of other nasty stuff in cigarettes, oh, and nicotine is VERY > addictive. > > Why aren't the taxes that I'm paying as a result of my cigarette habit > going into a fund to pay for my increased health expenses that result > from my smoking? > > It seems to me that the laid-back, relaxed buzz associated with > smoking pot sort of goes along with the "enjoy the journey, we'll get > there eventually" mentality that I associate with owning and driving a > Vanagon. > > Consider all the potential uses of marijuana as a crop for things > other than/in addition to its use for "medicinal"/recreational > purposes... > > Consider how much revenue would be generated if marijuana were a > "controlled substance" like alcohol and tobacco... > > I own my Westy pretty much for one reason only, to take me to music > festivals and gigs, where I hang out and play banjo, guitar, kazoo, > washboard, whatever strikes me. I bought my banjo strap on Ebay > because it has this really cool leatherwork of a banjo with fretboard > inlay that matches my banjo. It also has peace signs, doves, > marijuana leaves, and the NORML logo on it. That was just bonus, I > guess. I only smoke cigarettes, but I support not making criminals > out of otherwise decent, law-abiding citizens. I have many people > come up and tell me how cool my banjo strap is. I also have many > people comment on how cool my Westy is. > > If only we could eliminate the so-called drug "war" and let peace and > music break out . . . > > Have a great weekend, y'all! > Marc


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