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Date:         Sun, 2 May 2010 06:57:40 EDT
Reply-To:     RAlanen@AOL.COM
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Frank Condelli <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Solar Panel Mount -Flexible Panels?
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In a message dated 01/05/2010 8:33:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM writes:

All of what Loren says and more. You really need to do your homework. It is absolutey imperative that you closely approximate your electrical needs for daytime and nighttime. The angle of the sun is very critical. If you think that solar panel is going to produce the max output of amps all day long your sadly mistaken. We found that to get the max benefit from our panel during the two full months camped on the beach in La Manzanilla, MX, we needed to move the panel several times a day, a real PITA, if you wanted to be away from the camper. Always asking other in the campers to help out with the moving. An automatic motorized servo sun tracker would be nice but pricey and they take up valuable space and use up part of the juice your making ! The other things we have noted is that a bigger panel will outperform a smaller panel in adverse conditions, ie: low light levels, dirty panel, cloudy day, etc. AND, all this solar panel stuff is fine and dandy but you also need to think about your storage batteries. BECAUSE, the sun is not going to shine for 24 hours a day unless your way up North ! Where we were for example it went pretty much like this: we would not get useful sun until around 10 am and by 4 pm the setting sun will no longer produce much power. We therefore have approximately six hours to produce electricity, if there are no clouds or storms, and then have 18 hours running on the batteries.

So you quickly see that there's a lot to think about before jumping in. And, why would you want to get rid of your propane system ? What will you cook with ? And, a propane powered fridge is much more useful for long term camping than an electric model. You can always find a source for propane but you can not always find a source for electricity, unless you have a generator or want to run your engine to charge your batteries !

I just got back from spending the last five months living in my van, so that's where my experience is coming from. Real world use ! See my _www.westfaliatravels.com_ (http://www.westfaliatravels.com) blog !

>>>>>>That's fine for moderate use but you really need to figure what your electric consumption is going to be and then figure out how much solar charging capacity you will need. Several people I know have their solar panels mounted on the roof and are happy with the results. But I've never talked to them about how careful they are to park with the panel pointed south for maximum charging. I do know, from watching the current flow, that the angle to the Sun makes a big difference in the output from the PV panels.<<<<<<<<<

Cheers,

Frank Condelli Almonte, Ontario, Canada '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (_Collection for sale_ (http://frankcondelli.com/trainsal.htm) ) _Frank Condelli & Associates_ (http://frankcondelli.com/busindex.html) - Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley _Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems_ (http://frankcondelli.com/exhaust.htm) _BusFusion_ (http://www.busfusion.com/) a VW Camper camping event, Almonte, ON, June 10 ~ 13, 2010


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