Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:26:28 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Clutch Revisited - this time with pics
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the flywheel as been resurfaced once at least already ..
those cicular-like lines on the flywheel.
it does look like someone drove it abusively perhaps.
Make sure you get some pilot bearing dust seal in this time ..
pilot bearings go out pretty easily without a dust seal, which might be what
happened with your clutch.
see if the pilot bearing surface on the input shaft will clean up nicely, to
a good smooth surface.
oh, the clutch I recommend ...
the ordinary Sachs original type...
typically they are Rebuilt in Mexico, but I have used many and they are
quite decent.
Anything non-VW like LUK scares me.
on the dust seal for the pilot bearing,
either it's a felt ring and you need a ring in the flywheel to retain that
felt seal, and they are often left out.
so it's either do that stock arrangement, if you have the little metal
retaining ring ( not a part you can buy new )
and felt seal, which you can buy new.
OR ..
diesel vanagon pilot bearing with included rubber lip type seal...but the
flywheel needs to be clearanced ...
some material removed where the pilot bearing is ..since the DV pilot
bearing is longer than the wbxr one, but it has a 'real' dust seal built
into it. Worth doing.
Make sure the crosshaft is good..finding many worn ones of those lately.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Haynes" <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Clutch Revisited - this time with pics
> All that discoloration on the flywheel means the clutch has been slipping
> or
> someone's driving habits are not ideal. All that blue means it may not be
> able to be cut, has to be ground. As a step flywheel the pressure plate
> mounting has to also be cut.
>
> The input shaft needs to be replaced. I will bet the release bearing
> operating shaft (fork) also needs replacement.
>
> Since the pilot bearing failed, the clutch disc has run out of alignment.
> Replace the clutch set.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Kurt Grotz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:12 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Clutch Revisited - this time with pics
>
> http://www.themediastation.com/vanagon-clutch.htm
>
>> Thanks to all your suggestions before. I finally was able to pull the
>> tranny (I was a virgin) with the help of my nephew. Two is way better
>> than one.
>>
>> Biggest (losers) problems ...
>>
>> 1. The CV allen bolts, what a pain!!!
>> 2. The slave mounting. Germans could do better. It seems like a
>> British design.
>> 3. Zack - the dog - decided to eat the brand new air hose while we
>> were under the car.
>> 4. We could not separate (very easily) the trans out from engine.
>> Found out why.
>>
>> Which brings me up to speed. I have attached photos.
>>
>> The pressure plate seems ok thickness wise. But it is discolored. It
>> looks in fact like the flywheel.
>>
>> Flywheel (see picture) There is no scoring per say, but a lot of
>> discoloration. While it doesn't look like an oil drip, there is some
>> darker grease at bottom of bell housing. Should I pull? (See attached
> photo.)
>>
>> Bearing - there is the rub...when I pulled tranny out... ping ping,
>> little pieces of bearing fell out all over ground and me. That is a
> problem I know.
>> Lucked out getting a pic of that
>
> http://www.themediastation.com/vanagon-clutch.htm
>>
>> So that you have it. Next step?
>>
>> Do I need to pull flywheel and resurface it?
>> Do I replace the clutch even though it looks good?
>> Oil Seal and that other bearing (pilot bearing?) Could the shaft be
>> messed up
>>
>> If anyone can tell or suggest by my pictures that would be great -
>> thanks for the help.
>
> Finally - now that I am getting a second change - what is the proper gear
> oil, answers before were all over the place.
>>
>> Kurt
>
> http://www.themediastation.com/vanagon-clutch.htm
>>
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