Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:17:06 -0500
Reply-To: mcneely4@COX.NET
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
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So, don't sit in the mud. Put something on it, like a board. Or even the spare tire while taking the running tire off, and the running tire while putting the spare on. DMc
---- Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I sit on the ground and raise the tire/wheel assembly with my toes to line
> up the bolt hole.
>
> Could be because I'm shorter. ;)
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> > well..
> > forgot it's friday ..
> > so we can talk about oddball wheel types and fitments on cars.
> >
> > shouldn't be too hard for people to think of a car from the late 50's with
> > wheels held on by one center bolt...an allen bolt no less.
> > That same car also has a starter held in with one bolt , like a pointed
> > 'index bolt' with lock nut on it.
> >
> > a free long distance psychic vanagon healing to anyone who answers correcty
> > to both.
> >
> > personally, I kneel in the friggin' mud, not sit in it, to change a tire.
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
> > crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:47 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
> >
> >
> > No, you're right Scott, the wide fives have the stupid lug bolts all the
> >> way
> >> around. I
> >>
> >> Was that just so I had to sit in the mud to change a friggin' tire? ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> >> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> re
> >>>
> >>> stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
> >>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
> >>>
> >>> are you sure ?
> >>> I've owned lots of those, and I only remember bolts at all four corners.
> >>>
> >>> sure of it actually ..
> >>> here's a way to remember ..Split Window buses ...
> >>> those use the large 5 lug bolt pattern up to 1970 ( first year of a
> >>> 'regular wheel' with small center hole and 5 X 112 bolt patter is the 71
> >>> Bay Window Bus .....last year of 1600 engine, first year of disc brakes,
> >>> and
> >>> normal wheels ) ..
> >>> so if old Buses with that large bolt pattern had studs sticking out of
> >>> the
> >>> drums ..
> >>> we would remember such an odd thing.
> >>> and studs in the rear would start with the normal type wheels in 71, I
> >>> believe.
> >>>
> >>> by normal I mean a center hole of about 3 inches in diameter, and 5 X 112
> >>> bolt pattern..
> >>> not the wheels with a huge hole in the middle prior to that . Those were
> >>> all 15 inch ..
> >>> the normal type Van wheels are 14's , pretty sure.
> >>>
> >>> but back to vanagons.
> >>> the best overall VW ever made.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
> >>> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> >>>
> >>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:58 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey Dave, stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug
> >>> bolts
> >>>
> >>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
> >>>>
> >>>> Volks Cafe's Big Brake Kit will give you studs on the front too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > and checking how tight they are after getting van back from a tire >
> >>>>> store
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> > very smart !
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just got back. Lug bolts (not nuts, which I said previously in error)
> >>>>> were
> >>>>> torqued at the shop to the 130 ft. lbs specified in the owner's book (I
> >>>>> saw
> >>>>> the tech make the adjustment on the wrench and tighten to the click).
> >>>>> An
> >>>>> odd thing there (Discount Tires): the clerk ("Assistant Manager" --
> >>>>> aren't
> >>>>> they all?) told me his spec for the torque was 120 ft. lbs, and showed
> >>>>> me
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> his computer screen. I questioned that, and he read further, finding
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> his program stated that the 120 ft. lbs was for lug nuts, and that the
> >>>>> torque for lug bolts might differ (but it didn't specify what it should
> >>>>> be).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do any of you have nuts on studs, rather than bolts in holes? Just
> >>>>> askin'............... .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW, I have no trouble loosening the lugs with my 4-way (just checked
> >>>>> after
> >>>>> returning from the tire shop), but I likely will get a breaker and
> >>>>> socket
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> for the easier storage if for nothing else. Why haul around 3 extra
> >>>>> arms
> >>>>> and sockets I don't need? So, is an inexpensive breaker ok, or do I
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> pay a higher dollar? Are they adjustable for torque, or do I use it
> >>>>> like
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> have always used any lug wrench -- tighten until it seems right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow, I seem naive for an old fart, but I've never used anything other
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> a lug wrench on wheels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Another question -- The owner's manual says to rotate the tires front
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> back and back to front, with no crossover. That's like we used to do
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> directional radials, but most are not directional now. I have
> >>>>> symmetrical
> >>>>> tires, and I like to include the spare in the rotation. The tire shop
> >>>>> guy
> >>>>> first said to just move them around the vehicle in a circular fashion
> >>>>> including the spare. Then he found in his service book that said if
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> customer insists on including the spare in the rotation to switch the
> >>>>> spare
> >>>>> for the right front, which becomes the spare, cross the rears to the
> >>>>> front,
> >>>>> move the fronts straight back to the rear. I have always crossed rears
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> front as his service book said, but I was just wondering what most
> >>>>> folks
> >>>>> do.
> >>>>> Also, his service book stated that it is "not recommended" to include
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> spare in the rotation. Why would that be? He had no explanation. I
> >>>>> prefer
> >>>>> to include the spare in the rotation so as not to accumulate an old but
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> used tire -- I bought five tires new 14 months ago, and they now have a
> >>>>> bit
> >>>>> over 6K miles. At that rate, these tires will still be around in 8 or
> >>>>> 10
> >>>>> years. I should use all five, seems to me. BTW, they are Kumho 857s,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> they are wearing wonderfully well -- nice and even across the tread,
> >>>>> even
> >>>>> around all four tires.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David McNeely
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> >>>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
> >>>>
> >>>> Crescent Beach, BC
> >>>>
> >>>> www.thebassspa.com
> >>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> >>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jake
> >>
> >> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> >> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
> >>
> >> Crescent Beach, BC
> >>
> >> www.thebassspa.com
> >> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> >> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
--
David McNeely
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