Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:15:01 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
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well..
forgot it's friday ..
so we can talk about oddball wheel types and fitments on cars.
shouldn't be too hard for people to think of a car from the late 50's with
wheels held on by one center bolt...an allen bolt no less.
That same car also has a starter held in with one bolt , like a pointed
'index bolt' with lock nut on it.
a free long distance psychic vanagon healing to anyone who answers correcty
to both.
personally, I kneel in the friggin' mud, not sit in it, to change a tire.
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
> No, you're right Scott, the wide fives have the stupid lug bolts all the
> way
> around. I
>
> Was that just so I had to sit in the mud to change a friggin' tire? ;)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> re
>>
>> stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>
>> are you sure ?
>> I've owned lots of those, and I only remember bolts at all four corners.
>>
>> sure of it actually ..
>> here's a way to remember ..Split Window buses ...
>> those use the large 5 lug bolt pattern up to 1970 ( first year of a
>> 'regular wheel' with small center hole and 5 X 112 bolt patter is the 71
>> Bay Window Bus .....last year of 1600 engine, first year of disc brakes,
>> and
>> normal wheels ) ..
>> so if old Buses with that large bolt pattern had studs sticking out of
>> the
>> drums ..
>> we would remember such an odd thing.
>> and studs in the rear would start with the normal type wheels in 71, I
>> believe.
>>
>> by normal I mean a center hole of about 3 inches in diameter, and 5 X 112
>> bolt pattern..
>> not the wheels with a huge hole in the middle prior to that . Those were
>> all 15 inch ..
>> the normal type Van wheels are 14's , pretty sure.
>>
>> but back to vanagons.
>> the best overall VW ever made.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
>> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:58 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>>
>>
>> Hey Dave, stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug
>> bolts
>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>>
>>> Volks Cafe's Big Brake Kit will give you studs on the front too.
>>>
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > and checking how tight they are after getting van back from a tire >
>>>> store
>>>> -
>>>> > very smart !
>>>>
>>>> Just got back. Lug bolts (not nuts, which I said previously in error)
>>>> were
>>>> torqued at the shop to the 130 ft. lbs specified in the owner's book (I
>>>> saw
>>>> the tech make the adjustment on the wrench and tighten to the click).
>>>> An
>>>> odd thing there (Discount Tires): the clerk ("Assistant Manager" --
>>>> aren't
>>>> they all?) told me his spec for the torque was 120 ft. lbs, and showed
>>>> me
>>>> on
>>>> his computer screen. I questioned that, and he read further, finding
>>>> that
>>>> his program stated that the 120 ft. lbs was for lug nuts, and that the
>>>> torque for lug bolts might differ (but it didn't specify what it should
>>>> be).
>>>>
>>>> Do any of you have nuts on studs, rather than bolts in holes? Just
>>>> askin'............... .
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I have no trouble loosening the lugs with my 4-way (just checked
>>>> after
>>>> returning from the tire shop), but I likely will get a breaker and
>>>> socket
>>>> --
>>>> for the easier storage if for nothing else. Why haul around 3 extra
>>>> arms
>>>> and sockets I don't need? So, is an inexpensive breaker ok, or do I
>>>> need
>>>> to
>>>> pay a higher dollar? Are they adjustable for torque, or do I use it
>>>> like
>>>> I
>>>> have always used any lug wrench -- tighten until it seems right?
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I seem naive for an old fart, but I've never used anything other
>>>> than
>>>> a lug wrench on wheels.
>>>>
>>>> Another question -- The owner's manual says to rotate the tires front
>>>> to
>>>> back and back to front, with no crossover. That's like we used to do
>>>> with
>>>> directional radials, but most are not directional now. I have
>>>> symmetrical
>>>> tires, and I like to include the spare in the rotation. The tire shop
>>>> guy
>>>> first said to just move them around the vehicle in a circular fashion
>>>> including the spare. Then he found in his service book that said if
>>>> the
>>>> customer insists on including the spare in the rotation to switch the
>>>> spare
>>>> for the right front, which becomes the spare, cross the rears to the
>>>> front,
>>>> move the fronts straight back to the rear. I have always crossed rears
>>>> to
>>>> front as his service book said, but I was just wondering what most
>>>> folks
>>>> do.
>>>> Also, his service book stated that it is "not recommended" to include
>>>> the
>>>> spare in the rotation. Why would that be? He had no explanation. I
>>>> prefer
>>>> to include the spare in the rotation so as not to accumulate an old but
>>>> not
>>>> used tire -- I bought five tires new 14 months ago, and they now have a
>>>> bit
>>>> over 6K miles. At that rate, these tires will still be around in 8 or
>>>> 10
>>>> years. I should use all five, seems to me. BTW, they are Kumho 857s,
>>>> and
>>>> they are wearing wonderfully well -- nice and even across the tread,
>>>> even
>>>> around all four tires.
>>>>
>>>> David McNeely
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>>
>>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>>
>>> www.thebassspa.com
>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
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