Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:30:32 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
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I do that too sometimes, if I have to.
with the modern popularity of huge wheels and tires these days,
now there are 'tire and wheel' holder things ..
sort of like a mini-fork lift for a wheel/tire ..
it holds the tire at the right height ...
might even allow tire to rotate to line up lug bolts ..
then you just roll it into position onto the studs, or line up bolt holes.
it's a shop tool of course ..
and it is darn hard to wrestle a heavy wheel/tire into position sometimes.
and since it's still Friday ..
check this out ..
mini-spare ...idea is to be cheap and small and light , right ?
it's rarely used...just has to hold the car up enough to get somewhere ...
so they are always quite underbuilt...just enough to get the job done, and
no more.
I saw one in a pick n' pull junkyard recently ..
it was an *alloy wheel* mini spare !
couldn't believe it.
An alloy wheel has to cost 5 or 10 times as much to make a stamped steel
wheel. Surely considerably more.
I suspect manufacturers spend about two dollars making their steel wheels..
so what manufacturer is so thorough and exact about what they do that they
would have an alloy wheel mini-spare tire ?
not german either.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>I sit on the ground and raise the tire/wheel assembly with my toes to line
> up the bolt hole.
>
> Could be because I'm shorter. ;)
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> well..
>> forgot it's friday ..
>> so we can talk about oddball wheel types and fitments on cars.
>>
>> shouldn't be too hard for people to think of a car from the late 50's
>> with
>> wheels held on by one center bolt...an allen bolt no less.
>> That same car also has a starter held in with one bolt , like a pointed
>> 'index bolt' with lock nut on it.
>>
>> a free long distance psychic vanagon healing to anyone who answers
>> correcty
>> to both.
>>
>> personally, I kneel in the friggin' mud, not sit in it, to change a tire.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
>> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:47 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>>
>>
>> No, you're right Scott, the wide fives have the stupid lug bolts all the
>>> way
>>> around. I
>>>
>>> Was that just so I had to sit in the mud to change a friggin' tire? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> re
>>>>
>>>> stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
>>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>>>
>>>> are you sure ?
>>>> I've owned lots of those, and I only remember bolts at all four
>>>> corners.
>>>>
>>>> sure of it actually ..
>>>> here's a way to remember ..Split Window buses ...
>>>> those use the large 5 lug bolt pattern up to 1970 ( first year of a
>>>> 'regular wheel' with small center hole and 5 X 112 bolt patter is the
>>>> 71
>>>> Bay Window Bus .....last year of 1600 engine, first year of disc
>>>> brakes,
>>>> and
>>>> normal wheels ) ..
>>>> so if old Buses with that large bolt pattern had studs sticking out of
>>>> the
>>>> drums ..
>>>> we would remember such an odd thing.
>>>> and studs in the rear would start with the normal type wheels in 71, I
>>>> believe.
>>>>
>>>> by normal I mean a center hole of about 3 inches in diameter, and 5 X
>>>> 112
>>>> bolt pattern..
>>>> not the wheels with a huge hole in the middle prior to that . Those
>>>> were
>>>> all 15 inch ..
>>>> the normal type Van wheels are 14's , pretty sure.
>>>>
>>>> but back to vanagons.
>>>> the best overall VW ever made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
>>>> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:58 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dave, stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug
>>>> bolts
>>>>
>>>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>>>>
>>>>> Volks Cafe's Big Brake Kit will give you studs on the front too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > and checking how tight they are after getting van back from a tire
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> store
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> > very smart !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just got back. Lug bolts (not nuts, which I said previously in
>>>>>> error)
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> torqued at the shop to the 130 ft. lbs specified in the owner's book
>>>>>> (I
>>>>>> saw
>>>>>> the tech make the adjustment on the wrench and tighten to the click).
>>>>>> An
>>>>>> odd thing there (Discount Tires): the clerk ("Assistant Manager" --
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>> they all?) told me his spec for the torque was 120 ft. lbs, and
>>>>>> showed
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> his computer screen. I questioned that, and he read further, finding
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> his program stated that the 120 ft. lbs was for lug nuts, and that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> torque for lug bolts might differ (but it didn't specify what it
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do any of you have nuts on studs, rather than bolts in holes? Just
>>>>>> askin'............... .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I have no trouble loosening the lugs with my 4-way (just checked
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> returning from the tire shop), but I likely will get a breaker and
>>>>>> socket
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> for the easier storage if for nothing else. Why haul around 3 extra
>>>>>> arms
>>>>>> and sockets I don't need? So, is an inexpensive breaker ok, or do I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> pay a higher dollar? Are they adjustable for torque, or do I use it
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have always used any lug wrench -- tighten until it seems right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I seem naive for an old fart, but I've never used anything other
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> a lug wrench on wheels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another question -- The owner's manual says to rotate the tires
>>>>>> front
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> back and back to front, with no crossover. That's like we used to do
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> directional radials, but most are not directional now. I have
>>>>>> symmetrical
>>>>>> tires, and I like to include the spare in the rotation. The tire
>>>>>> shop
>>>>>> guy
>>>>>> first said to just move them around the vehicle in a circular fashion
>>>>>> including the spare. Then he found in his service book that said if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> customer insists on including the spare in the rotation to switch the
>>>>>> spare
>>>>>> for the right front, which becomes the spare, cross the rears to the
>>>>>> front,
>>>>>> move the fronts straight back to the rear. I have always crossed
>>>>>> rears
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> front as his service book said, but I was just wondering what most
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>> Also, his service book stated that it is "not recommended" to
>>>>>> include
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> spare in the rotation. Why would that be? He had no explanation. I
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> to include the spare in the rotation so as not to accumulate an old
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> used tire -- I bought five tires new 14 months ago, and they now have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> over 6K miles. At that rate, these tires will still be around in 8
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> years. I should use all five, seems to me. BTW, they are Kumho
>>>>>> 857s,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they are wearing wonderfully well -- nice and even across the tread,
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> around all four tires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David McNeely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>>>>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>>>>
>>>>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>>>>
>>>>> www.thebassspa.com
>>>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>>
>>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>>
>>> www.thebassspa.com
>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
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