Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 19:35:16 -0700
Reply-To: Bernie <berniej@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Bernie <berniej@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Buying advice
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Sadly I believe you had made your decision before asking the list for their opinion.
Everyone I saw, and myself privately, suggested this was not the way to transact
business.
The seller created a " sense of urgency".
The seller does not have a good reputation.
The seller wants you to take all the risks.
The seller now has your money and you have no signature, no bill of sale
and no vehicle, nor have you laid eyes on the vehicle.
Lastly am I correct in assuming you believe that the seller took
1/3 of the price he could get for it because he was trying to help you!
Please let us know how things turn out.
Bernie
Sent from my iPad
On 2010-07-06, at 5:24 PM, craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I appreciate all the advice, particularly the first half of the advice I
> recieved before buying it at noon....
> : )
>
> To be fair, his "bad reviews" were from 2 people, they were frequent, and
> they were resolved. They were resolved in a satisfactory way that Everett
> let him back on thesamba and even wrote a little thing acknowledging that
> this bad review was not very valid. The reviews in question were in regards
> to a guy that bought a split window bus PROJECT from him, only to find it
> had rust. Seriously? That's expected I thought.
> And the other review was in regards to shipping a large item (I think it was
> a middle seat) to Tailand, and it took SURPRISE.... more than 2 weeks.
> So to give the man some credit, his slate may as well be clean. This stuff
> happens, particularly if you sell alot of stuff.
>
> Anyway, for the last week i've been talking to the guy and getting really
> good vibes about him. He's been very helpful and I sincerely think I am
> getting a wonderful deal. The sad part of this situation is that I had a
> deadline with which to pay him the money which was today, as he's closing a
> house (he's been upfront about that since day 1). The reason being, my price
> was 1/3 the cost of what he had another buyer lined up to pay, cash ready,
> that could make the deadline. He was going out of his way to be nice to me,
> since we agreed upon a price first.
>
> He now has my money, and I have an email correspondence with him listing his
> personal information, contact information, and a stated (though still
> unofficial) bill of sale which includes the VIN number, pictures, and a
> description of the conditions.
>
> The vehicle is in Portland Oregon.
> I am "planning" to have it shipped. I would however LOVE to drive it home.
> Any volunteers to do some work on it for me : ) ????
> I could have it shipped to you.... you could make it work...... I could fly
> out....we could hang out..... i could have an adventure driving it
> home...... : )
> Just throwin it out there.....
>
>
> Thanks again guys!
>
> -Craig
> '85GL turned WESTY
> BOSTIG In the back
> '87SUNROOF SYNCRO
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Roger,
>> thanks for mentioning me.
>> I sure hope it works out for the guy buying the van, whatever happens.
>> I'm glad he posted.
>>
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: Buying advice
>>
>>
>> dear far and away
>>>
>>> there are a few choices to make here
>>> 1. send money ... laugh or cry later
>>> 2. Go to see the guy and make purchase in person ..
>>> 3. fly to oregon and if you dont like the van ...go see scott in medford
>>> and
>>> buy one of his
>>> 4. you in PA already .. go see chris and drive away with all his junk ...
>>> store it and then go get what ever you like from who ever and you already
>>> have all the parts you need
>>>
>>> 5. send money ... hire other to pick up vehicle ...
>>> 6 Rebuy already purchased vehicle from the scammers again and again from
>>> various online ... send money now ... get goods later people ...
>>> 7. Fly to england and go to the brickyard there to purchase ... send money
>>> in GBP before you go so you can loose twice as much in exchange rate
>>> 8. buy a delicia
>>> 9. buy a toyota
>>> 10 take a holiday on a cruise ship $$ are the same spent and adventure is
>>> more controllable as onboard casino is set at 60 % house 40% guest
>>>
>>> yours
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:40 AM, craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm working on closing a deal today on a sunroof syncro that's in Oregon
>>>> (I
>>>> am in PA). Anyway....
>>>> The buyer has asked that I just transfer money via a wire transfer in
>>>> full
>>>> to his bank account which i normally wouldn't be overly hesitant about
>>>> but
>>>> realize this would not afford me any type of fraud prevention should
>>>> anything happen. I asked him a few days ago what assurance he can give me
>>>> that this is going to be a fullproof transaction and his response was
>>>> that
>>>> should it go sour for any reason, just bash him on thesamba.com. Since
>>>> he
>>>> runs a VW restoration business almost entirely through thesamba, it
>>>> seemed
>>>> like a just response. Well..... I went and checked him out on the samba,
>>>> and
>>>> he's already been bashed enough. He's been banned close to 10 times
>>>> (under
>>>> different names), there are pending fraudulant claims and arguments
>>>> occuring
>>>> between he and buyers. Luckily, there are also great reviews of his
>>>> service
>>>> being above and beyond the call of duty. So this has me at least slightly
>>>> concerned, any suggestions?
>>>> Paypal may be an option, does that award a great deal more security?
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, I don't recieve a bill of sale via the mail for at least a
>>>> week
>>>> after I give the guy all my money..... indicating that I don't actually
>>>> own
>>>> the car, but have given aside all my money. I asked that he send me an
>>>> email
>>>> with his full name, address, the VIN of the car, and which contains
>>>> agreement terms....should I need to press charges later. Does this sound
>>>> like a reasonable thing to want? Am I fair in wanting something like this
>>>> BEFORE I pay? He seems to indicate (and I can see this point as well)
>>>> that
>>>> no actual change of ownership agreements ever occur untill after
>>>> purchase.
>>>> Sadly he's been pretty tricky with emails, so I have my concerns (Though
>>>> he's easiliy reached via the phone and a wonderful person to talk too. He
>>>> seems to be really interested in helping me out).
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> I'm very excited about this purchase, but very concerned now.
>>>>
>>>> -Craig
>>>> '85GL turned WESTY
>>>> BOSTIG in the back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> roger w
>>> From Proverbs:
>>> Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: a
>>> servant who becomes king ...
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