Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:44:43 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Buying advice
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Most shippers are just brokers.
watch out for that business too ..
they're a little shady/sloppy sometimes.
it would be good to get the van to a safe place seems to me.
I would up the efforts to protect yourself.
I'm sure you don't want to seem a nag or doubting of the seller..
but it sure would be nice to see a notorized letter from him stating that he
is selling the van to you with VIN blah blah blah.
as you can see everyone is nervous about this deal. It's got *all* the
hallmarks of a scam deal, a far too low price, excuses why it's that way,
etc. .
I can understand being willing to risk that low a sum for what could
possibly be a great van.
the biggest two worisome details to me are ..
more than two acutally ..
but .....the price is way low. There simply is no reason why anyone would
sell a rare at least 10,000 dollar sunroof syncro vanagon for 1/3 that
price, unless they don't know what they have at all...
which if the seller is samba-savvy ...he knows what it's worth.
and the bad reputation of the seller...
I would sure try to get the van to safe hands real fast. There are many
vanagon community members in the Portland area that might be willing to park
it for you until you can arrange shipping.
right now ....the guy could do whatever, pull out the engine and put in a
much crappier engine ..
and when you get the van back east .....all he has to say is 'it was fine
when it left here' ..
etc.
nobody wants to ruin your fun.
heck ! I have been advsed this way myself in the past..if you can cacel the
sale, you should, but I know you'd really regret that , so I guess you have
to for forward on the chance that you can get a rare sunroof syncro.
anyway ....'time constaints' are a clasic scam tool.
I was gonna say hire someone out here to go look at it for you ...
lots of Portland vanagon community members would be glad to go check out the
van for you. ..
but that's past now anyway.
See if you can get it into safe hands as a first step is what I suggest.
then get the shipping happening.
and when a 'shipper' gives you a 'quote' ...often they are just a broker,
and that's a just a bid they post,
and hope some driver picks up the job.
When they say $ 150 is a 'deposit' ...it's not, it's their fee. ..they just
don't tell you that.
Some people get *turned on* deceiving and ripping people off. They *get off*
on it.
Pathological even.
anyway ....stay in touch with the list, we wanna see it work out for you.
that thing about 'slam me on thesamba' ........
that's a good one !
trying to stop here.....there's a guy that sells diesel parts online ..
I knew things were not *really* as presented ..or quality was low .etc..
etc..
I just googled his name..
in one minute I'm seeing 'do not buy from this guy' ...
so there's somebody that's been 'revealed' and he's still selling stuff left
and right as far as I know.
fingers crossed.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "craig cowan" <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Buying advice
> Anyone in Portland area capable of acting as a shipping broker?
> I have the car delivered to you immediately, you hold onto it for a week
> or
> so while I wait for the shippers to get their act together.
>
> -Craig
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:36 PM, craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> He took his asking price. I responded to his asking price within 5
>> minutes
>> of the car being listed. I agreed to buy it and got the wheels turning.
>> Then
>> over the course of a week, we both had various commitments so the process
>> was slow. During that week, the real offers came in....
>> offering market value.
>>
>> My fingers are crossed and my hopes high.
>>
>> -Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Bernie <berniej@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly I believe you had made your decision before asking the list for
>>> their opinion.
>>> Everyone I saw, and myself privately, suggested this was not the way to
>>> transact
>>> business.
>>> The seller created a " sense of urgency".
>>> The seller does not have a good reputation.
>>> The seller wants you to take all the risks.
>>> The seller now has your money and you have no signature, no bill of sale
>>> and no vehicle, nor have you laid eyes on the vehicle.
>>> Lastly am I correct in assuming you believe that the seller took
>>> 1/3 of the price he could get for it because he was trying to help you!
>>> Please let us know how things turn out.
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 2010-07-06, at 5:24 PM, craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I appreciate all the advice, particularly the first half of the advice
>>> > I
>>> > recieved before buying it at noon....
>>> > : )
>>> >
>>> > To be fair, his "bad reviews" were from 2 people, they were frequent,
>>> and
>>> > they were resolved. They were resolved in a satisfactory way that
>>> Everett
>>> > let him back on thesamba and even wrote a little thing acknowledging
>>> that
>>> > this bad review was not very valid. The reviews in question were in
>>> regards
>>> > to a guy that bought a split window bus PROJECT from him, only to find
>>> it
>>> > had rust. Seriously? That's expected I thought.
>>> > And the other review was in regards to shipping a large item (I think
>>> > it
>>> was
>>> > a middle seat) to Tailand, and it took SURPRISE.... more than 2 weeks.
>>> > So to give the man some credit, his slate may as well be clean. This
>>> stuff
>>> > happens, particularly if you sell alot of stuff.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, for the last week i've been talking to the guy and getting
>>> really
>>> > good vibes about him. He's been very helpful and I sincerely think I
>>> > am
>>> > getting a wonderful deal. The sad part of this situation is that I had
>>> > a
>>> > deadline with which to pay him the money which was today, as he's
>>> closing a
>>> > house (he's been upfront about that since day 1). The reason being, my
>>> price
>>> > was 1/3 the cost of what he had another buyer lined up to pay, cash
>>> ready,
>>> > that could make the deadline. He was going out of his way to be nice
>>> > to
>>> me,
>>> > since we agreed upon a price first.
>>> >
>>> > He now has my money, and I have an email correspondence with him
>>> > listing
>>> his
>>> > personal information, contact information, and a stated (though still
>>> > unofficial) bill of sale which includes the VIN number, pictures, and
>>> > a
>>> > description of the conditions.
>>> >
>>> > The vehicle is in Portland Oregon.
>>> > I am "planning" to have it shipped. I would however LOVE to drive it
>>> home.
>>> > Any volunteers to do some work on it for me : ) ????
>>> > I could have it shipped to you.... you could make it work...... I
>>> > could
>>> fly
>>> > out....we could hang out..... i could have an adventure driving it
>>> > home...... : )
>>> > Just throwin it out there.....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks again guys!
>>> >
>>> > -Craig
>>> > '85GL turned WESTY
>>> > BOSTIG In the back
>>> > '87SUNROOF SYNCRO
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>>> > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Roger,
>>> >> thanks for mentioning me.
>>> >> I sure hope it works out for the guy buying the van, whatever
>>> >> happens.
>>> >> I'm glad he posted.
>>> >>
>>> >> Scott
>>> >> www.turbovans.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
>>> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:35 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Buying advice
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> dear far and away
>>> >>>
>>> >>> there are a few choices to make here
>>> >>> 1. send money ... laugh or cry later
>>> >>> 2. Go to see the guy and make purchase in person ..
>>> >>> 3. fly to oregon and if you dont like the van ...go see scott in
>>> medford
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> buy one of his
>>> >>> 4. you in PA already .. go see chris and drive away with all his
>>> >>> junk
>>> ...
>>> >>> store it and then go get what ever you like from who ever and you
>>> already
>>> >>> have all the parts you need
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 5. send money ... hire other to pick up vehicle ...
>>> >>> 6 Rebuy already purchased vehicle from the scammers again and again
>>> from
>>> >>> various online ... send money now ... get goods later people ...
>>> >>> 7. Fly to england and go to the brickyard there to purchase ... send
>>> money
>>> >>> in GBP before you go so you can loose twice as much in exchange rate
>>> >>> 8. buy a delicia
>>> >>> 9. buy a toyota
>>> >>> 10 take a holiday on a cruise ship $$ are the same spent and
>>> >>> adventure
>>> is
>>> >>> more controllable as onboard casino is set at 60 % house 40% guest
>>> >>>
>>> >>> yours
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:40 AM, craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm working on closing a deal today on a sunroof syncro that's in
>>> Oregon
>>> >>>> (I
>>> >>>> am in PA). Anyway....
>>> >>>> The buyer has asked that I just transfer money via a wire transfer
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>> full
>>> >>>> to his bank account which i normally wouldn't be overly hesitant
>>> about
>>> >>>> but
>>> >>>> realize this would not afford me any type of fraud prevention
>>> >>>> should
>>> >>>> anything happen. I asked him a few days ago what assurance he can
>>> give me
>>> >>>> that this is going to be a fullproof transaction and his response
>>> >>>> was
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> should it go sour for any reason, just bash him on thesamba.com.
>>> Since
>>> >>>> he
>>> >>>> runs a VW restoration business almost entirely through thesamba, it
>>> >>>> seemed
>>> >>>> like a just response. Well..... I went and checked him out on the
>>> samba,
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> he's already been bashed enough. He's been banned close to 10 times
>>> >>>> (under
>>> >>>> different names), there are pending fraudulant claims and arguments
>>> >>>> occuring
>>> >>>> between he and buyers. Luckily, there are also great reviews of his
>>> >>>> service
>>> >>>> being above and beyond the call of duty. So this has me at least
>>> slightly
>>> >>>> concerned, any suggestions?
>>> >>>> Paypal may be an option, does that award a great deal more
>>> >>>> security?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Furthermore, I don't recieve a bill of sale via the mail for at
>>> >>>> least
>>> a
>>> >>>> week
>>> >>>> after I give the guy all my money..... indicating that I don't
>>> actually
>>> >>>> own
>>> >>>> the car, but have given aside all my money. I asked that he send me
>>> an
>>> >>>> email
>>> >>>> with his full name, address, the VIN of the car, and which contains
>>> >>>> agreement terms....should I need to press charges later. Does this
>>> sound
>>> >>>> like a reasonable thing to want? Am I fair in wanting something
>>> >>>> like
>>> this
>>> >>>> BEFORE I pay? He seems to indicate (and I can see this point as
>>> >>>> well)
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> no actual change of ownership agreements ever occur untill after
>>> >>>> purchase.
>>> >>>> Sadly he's been pretty tricky with emails, so I have my concerns
>>> (Though
>>> >>>> he's easiliy reached via the phone and a wonderful person to talk
>>> too. He
>>> >>>> seems to be really interested in helping me out).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thoughts?
>>> >>>> I'm very excited about this purchase, but very concerned now.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Craig
>>> >>>> '85GL turned WESTY
>>> >>>> BOSTIG in the back
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> roger w
>>> >>> From Proverbs:
>>> >>> Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up:
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> servant who becomes king ...
>>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/
>>> >>> View the growing list of video work at:
>>> >>> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
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