Date:         Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:26:59 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: [NVC]-Friday Subject: Howto Locite question
Comments: To: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@yahoo.com>
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that sounds perfect.
sacrifice a bad or unneeded part to get it apart properly.
6 point, possibly deep, socket, I imagine. 

if you hacksaw it, make sure no metal filing fall into any fluid areas. 
mostly,   Honda power steering lasts indefinitely.  

dizzy ? 
getting down the ground and back up again ..
is a very healthy thing to do. 
the more you move, the better, almost without exception. 

don't pass out though !

Scott 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: M. Jade 
  To: M. Jade ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM ; Scott Daniel - Turbovans 
  Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [NVC]-Friday Subject: Howto Locite question


        Thanks Scott and every one who responded to my question. Glad to hear that Loctite was probably not used. It's just yellow paint to indicate that it's original and has never been touched. I think in the worse case I am going to cut off the hose at the top of the nut. It is actually a section of metal hose there. Once it is cut off I can use a regular socket to unscrew it. As long as it is not Loctited a regular socket should be able to take care of it. The new hose comes with a new nut and an O-Ring. 

        I had the car jacked up and put large blocks (1 foot tall) of wood under both front wheels. It's not difficult to get to the steering gear box under there. I did get dizzy after crawing into and out of there a couple of times.

        MJ in Sunny California

        --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:


          From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
          Subject: Re: [NVC]-Friday Subject: Howto Locite question
          To: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM>, vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
          Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 2:42 PM


          hi,
          hate them eh ?  !
          lol.
          that yellow paint is just put on their during manufacture ..
          means the fastener was torqued properly ...most likely that's what that is.

          fwiw, I have noticed that things that have not been apart since assembly at the factory can be hyper tight.
          way beyond what normal torque spec would dictate.
          fwiw, Honda crank pulley bolts are notorious for being hyper tight ..
          I saw a 3/4 inch drive impact gun at a honda shop once..
          they're were like 'yeah, that's what we use on the crank pulley bolts' ..

          an impact gun like that can do up to 1,000 ft lbs of torque ..
          and sometimes they need that much to get those crank pullly bolts off. btdt.

          so don't feel bad.
          if it simply MUST come off ..
          almost sounds like it's vice grip time ..which will likely destroy that connection ..
          and there's heat too, as in torch,   but that sounds dangerous and scary in this situation.

          she should drive a vanagon !
          also I'm wondering if better access, like from below with car jacked up, if not already, would help.

          and sometimes there are a few things that will not come apart , especially with age and corrosion ...
          without destroying something.  If it just ruined the hose that wouldn't be too bad I wouldn't think.
          scott
          www.turbovans.com

          ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM>
          To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
          Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:53 PM
          Subject: [NVC]-Friday Subject: Howto Locite question


          > Pardon me for a non Vanagon question. It's Friday and I need help.
          > 
          > I am working on replacing a leaky power steering hose of a Honda Civic my daughter drives today. I have gotten everything off but the nut that mounts the hose on the gear box. I saw orange or yellow paint on the nut. It's dark under there and it's a Japanese car so I think it is Loctite but I am not sure. I used a flare-nut wrench but I can't seem to loosen it without destroying it. I have got to a point that the wrench is about to round off the hex head still it won't give in.
          > 
          > What is your suggestion? Don't know if you ever need to deal with such a hassle on Vanagons. Every time I worked on Japanese cars I seem to always have the issue that Japanese bolts, nuts and screws are always made of soft metal. If you are not careful they got destroyed and their heads got rounded off. What a PITA. I hate Japanese cars.
          > 
          > MJ in Sunny California