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Date:         Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:39:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Diesel - too much oil saga
Comments: To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To:  <AANLkTimQ5+z1Xg=FTcHjf1TJTnd028nmsj7bNgfqQPXN@mail.gmail.com>
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Don, the more important aspect of this to me is that if the mark had been off previously, where were the symptoms? Surely this was not the first time the oil had been changed since the modification was done? Why would these symptoms appear only after a visit to this shop?

Jim

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote: >  You are right...a mechanic should know what they are doing.  And if they > do mess up with a blatant mistake that causes harm, they should be > responisble.  But filling oil to the indicated line on a dipstick, without > checking that the dipstick is marked accuratly...that is not a blatant > mistake unless the mechanic changed that dipstick, too. > >  Anyhow...State licenses...(friday semi rant) aren't The Answer by any > means.  They are one reason why shops must charge $80 plus... per hour for > each guy working there. >  And other trade licenses are often only an indicator that the license > holder has paid his fees and all his requierd obligations in order to go to > work..they (a license and business permit) are no indicator he actually know > a thing about his trade, other than how to get the license to do that > trade.  These license fees must be passed on to the customer.. > >  Say you want to build a house..Ok, you hire a general contractor, required > by law to have a license and a bond.  But not required to prove, in most > states, that he or she knows a thing about how to build a house..They, in > turn, hire a bunch of sub-contractors to do the seperate jobs...each sub is > also required to be licensed and bonded..  There can be anywhere from 5 to > 15 sub contractors involved in a home building project....15 license fees-15 > insurance fees-15(+/-) inspections...Jacks the cost of building a house > about 3 times over what it should cost if you had a master carpenter build > it for you for wages and materials only....So, in order to "protect" the > homeowner, he get to pay about 3-times the actual cost of building to defray > the license, bond, permit and insurance fees of everyone involved in his > project...I know this, being in the trade for many years and doing my own > building.  Subtract the fees for licenses and permits from the cost of a > project and it shrinks to about 1/3rd. > >  I'll give you the need for the UBC...Universal Building Code...and the > state inspector's who make sure your home gets built to comply with that, or > something like it. >  But most licenses are a total joke.."Licensed and Bonded" on someone's > business card means nothing about their skills...it means they have done the > paperwork for the state and paid their fee to get the license...period.  Now > a days in the building trades many licensed and bonded tradesmen don't do > the work themselves...they hire illegal workers to do it and pay them > minimum wage, then charge out at high dollar and pocket the > difference..."It's MY license, after all.  And I got the work...I deserve > Big Bucks..." > >  Sorry totally off topic on that last...but Jim, below, says it right about > the oil level...You can't expect the shop to check everything on the whole > vehicle, only what is "reasonable and prudent" and expecting the oil fill > line to be correct is a reasonable assumption.. >  Don Hanson > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's the mechanics responsibility to KNOW what they are doing, what they >> are >> working on, how to fix "the problem", while the customer >> has no responsibility or liability for any of that whatsoever. This is only >> one example, but there are hundreds if not thousands like it. >> >> http://ezinearticles.com/?Auto-Mechanics-Liability-For-Damages-Resulting-From-Negligent-Repairs&id=2675550 >> State licensed technicians of ANY kind, who are taking $$ in exchange for >> their services, are always held liable for their work. >> It's a very poor precedent to let a paid individual off the hook for their >> "professional services". >> That's why Utah Imports drove 6 1/2 hours each way, to pick up my van in >> Montrose, CO after they installed a cam belt tensioner >> that seized after 600 miles in the fall of 2007 ... they know how this >> works. >> bob >> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >   The idea to go to the manual and get the proper capacity from the >> specs, >> > then fill the engine and mark the dipstick...that will solve the problem >> of >> > overfilling. >> > >> >   Expecting that shop to 'make good' for damage to a motor they filled to >> > "the mark"?  That might be difficult and actually a bit unreasonable. >>  They >> > can't be expected to double-check everything to make sure the vehicle >> they >> > are working on conforms to the specs it is supposed to have.  When you >> get a >> > vehicle to work on you can reasonably expect it to be accurately >> > configured.   A miss-marked dipstick is not something any mechanic "must" >> > anticipate in his normal trade. >> >   Don Hanson >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >


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