Date:         Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:04:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Clutch specs???
Comments: To: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
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picky picky picky !

ok, I measured a brand new one.
it's 2.0 mm.

sounds like a perfect case for installing a good used 'take off' clutch
disc.
I end up with a lot of very good used serviceable parts left over from doing
engine conversions.

which inline four ?
I'm starting on an 87 jetta 16 valve 1.8 pretty soon myself.

I just impact my crank pulleys off.

hard to hold the engine down solidly enough to do with a long breaker bar. .
if I know i'm going to have to undo that nut by hand, I do it with the
engine as complete as possible, so it tends to flop around less, though a
waterboxer is a bit floppy anyway in that regard.

scott
turbovans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Potts" <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Clutch specs???


> Hi Scott,
>
> So how much "meat" is there above the rivet on a new Sachs clutch disk?
> Why can't this info simply get posted someplace?
>
> This engine has 160K miles on it already and is not really a permanent
> solution for this vehicle... I plan to upgrade to an I4 as soon as I can
> gather the bits and pieces; probably getting into it next spring. Main
> question will be which van gets done first.
>
> As for the crank pulley swap; that decision was a no-brainer as the
> replacement longblock didn't have one. It took one person standing on
> the engine and me jumping on my 30" breaker bar to get that center nut
> loose on the donor engine.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> Toronto, Ontario Canada
> 197x Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
> BUSES OF THE CORN - AUGUST 13-15th, 2010
> www.busesofthecorn.ca
>
>
> On 8/8/2010 4:54 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>> with only 1mm of clutch disc material above the rivits..
>> that's like a tire with 5/32nd's of tread left..
>> it'll 'work' but it will need replacing before too long.
>>
>> since the labor is signficant to replace the disc or any clutch coponents
>> down the line sometime..
>> it only makes sense to replace the parts that have limited life left in
>> them
>> now.
>>
>> and i'm not a 'ALL NEW parts' nut ..
>> rather the oppsite, I do like to get remaining life out of good
>> servicable
>> components ..
>> but not if it means pulling the trans in 6 months when you could have
>> put in
>> a new disc now with relatively minor extra expense, and no extra work
>> later.
>>
>> I like Sachs brand clutch components, the only ones I use on vanagons.
>>
>> if mixing compents from 2.1 waterboxer to 1.9 ...
>> the crankshaft pulley should match whichever distributor you are using.
>> the timing marks are different on the two engnies.
>> I use mixed components between 1.9 and 2.1 commonly, and like to run a
>> 2.1
>> engine, 2.1 exhaust system and 2.1 ntake with 1.9 Digijet fuel
>> injection -
>> works great !
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Greg Potts" <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:20 AM
>> Subject: Clutch specs???
>>
>>
>>> Hi Volks,
>>>
>>> I have checked the archives but did not find my answer there...
>>>
>>> I recently acquired an 88 vanagon with a grenaded engine... #1 and #3
>>> rods went through the top of the case when the owner inadvertently left
>>> it in a low gear while towing.
>>>
>>> I have a replacement (used) longblock from dad's 85 automatic and am
>>> swapping the components over to make another 1.9 digifant setup. So far
>>> so good; the plenum was seriously dented but appears usable.
>>>
>>> The question now: What is the spec for clutch disk replacement? There
>>> seems to be about 1mm of material beyond the rivets on both sides of
>>> this disk.
>>>
>>> Bentley discusses wear patterns but not overall thickness. On the
>>> baywindow buses it's usually 8MM IIRC but I cannot find a similar spec
>>> for Vanagon. I certainly don't want to install this engine with a worn
>>> disk but I don't want to put a new one in if this one is usable.
>>>