Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 19:46:42 -0400
Reply-To: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
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From: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)
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Hi Scott,
411/412s and 914's using the type4 engine came with a windage tray. So
did the 1.8L engine in my wife's 85 cabriolet.
Bus/Vanagon Type4 engines don't.
http://www.shoptalkforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1528&start=0
My baywindow westfakia is currently running a 411/914 engine but since
I've never split the case I can't confirm/deny if it has a windage tray
or not.
Happy Trails,
Greg Potts
Toronto, Ontario Canada
197x Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
www.pottsfamily.ca
BUSES OF THE CORN - AUGUST 13-15th, 2010
www.busesofthecorn.ca
On 8/8/2010 6:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
> 'windage' ..
> in AAZ 1.9 TD engines and tdi's ..they all use a 'windage tray' ..
> helps keep oil away from the crankshaft .
>
> waterboxer is a little different ..
> a more shallow sump.
> In all the VW air-cooled engine building and hopping up over the last
> several decades that has occurred, maybe someone has made one for
> air-cooled
> VW opposed fours, which are similar in the sump area to waterboxers.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@Q.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)
>
>
>> My recollection, FWIW, is that the oil started frothing just above the
>> full
>> mark; the admonition being to definitely not overfill, and perhaps a bit
>> under the mark would be better than over it.
>>
>> This turned into a discussion on the lack of a plate in the engine to
>> "put
>> a
>> lid on the oil". I do not recall what the plate is called, though I'm
>> sure
>> someone else will.
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> Karl Wolz
>>
>> |-----Original Message-----
>> |From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> |Edward Maglott
>> |Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>> |To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> |Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)
>> |
>> |Years ago, someone posted info on the list from watching the inside
>> |of the WBX through a borescope (I think that's the right word) while
>> |it was running. They started with oil at a low level and added
>> |oil. IIRC, at about the mid point on the dipstick the crankshaft
>> |starts hitting the oil in the sump. That is what causes the unusual
>> |frothing that you never want in your engine. As they added more up
>> |to the "max" mark, it got really wild in there with a great amount of
>> |oil being flung around and air being pumped into the oil in the
>> |sump. Not only does the crank hitting the oil in the sump add air to
>> |it, the resistance of it passing through even a small amount of oil
>> |puts additional load on the engine.
>> |
>> |I think there are several things we owners have learned about the WBX
>> |over the past many years that are wise "adjustments" to the factory
>> |specs decreed by the loved/hated German engineers who designed our
>> |beloved Vanagons. This is one.
>> |Edward
>
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Happy Trails,
Greg Potts
Toronto, Ontario Canada
197x Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
www.pottsfamily.ca
BUSES OF THE CORN - AUGUST 13-15th, 2010
www.busesofthecorn.ca
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