Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:05:37 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
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But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocket J Squirrel" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:19 -0700, Jake de Villiers wrote:
>> An oil cooler will make your engine live a longer and happier life
>> Mike.
>
> But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?
>
>> The Bus Boys kit doesn't include an oil thermostat - no wonder its
>> cheaper.
>
> Ah, yes. I see. But they say, farther down that page:
>
> ZAP-11780 Oil Thermostat. Opens at 175º F. Bypasses Oil Cooler Below
> 175º for Quick Warm-Up. Includes Fittings and Clamps. $79.35
>
> NOTE: This thermostat must be installed between the oil filter and
> cooler for proper operation. Strongly recommended for proper engine
> warm-up in cool weather operation.
>
>> Tencent supplies a complete well thought out kit for your engine at a
>> very reasonable price.
>
> Sounds like a good kit, fershure, but out of my price range.
>
> --
> Rocky J Squirrel
>
>
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Rocket J Squirrel
>> <camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, does anyone know whether the Bus Boys kit at
>>
>> <http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html>
>>
>>
>> is as effective as tencentlife's kit? For the 1.9L?
>>
>> tencentlife's kit is quite a bit more expensive than the $132
>> that BB
>> wants for their ZAP-11705 kit.
>>
>> Finally, is putting on an oil cooler worthwhile? I mean, sure,
>> it's
>> awesome and cool and all that, but will my engine notice? I've
>> gone up
>> some mighty steep grades on very very hot days without
>> overheating.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rocky J Squirrel
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:33 -0700, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>> wrote:
>> > any decent air type oil cooler system..
>> > will have oil flow controlled by a thermostat.
>> >
>> > like when cold, the oil isn't cooled by the oil cooler at
>> all.
>> >
>> > I just put a super nice air type oil cooler onto a 91 Syncro
>> with 2.1 (
>> > actually 2.2 ) waterboxer engine .
>> >
>> > this came from tencentlife on theSamba ..
>> > Chris Corkin .
>> > comes in 3 versions I think , his kit ...1.9 wbxr, 2.1 2WD
>> and Sycrno.
>> > I installed the top grade syncro one.
>> > nice black oil radiator, about 8 or 10 inches sqare,
>> > fits right behind the right tail light, comes with parts on
>> it to make it
>> > fit perfectly there.
>> >
>> > has a sandwich plate adapter at the oil cooler .......which
>> is where the
>> > t-stat is.
>> > the deluxe syncro version has a temp triggered electric fan
>> on it.
>> >
>> > and nice blue oil lines to connect it all.
>> > the deluxe version I think is over 500 bucks though if you
>> buy this
>> > ready-to-bolt on kit.
>> > if you buy the indifvidual parts online yourself and build
>> it, costs less
>> > I'm sure.
>> > that it's all figured out, tested, and with very good
>> instructions is sure
>> > nice though...getting a kit that's all ready to install.
>> >
>> > for a first step on my own vans I'm going to monitor oil
>> pressure and temp
>> > ..
>> > and if I find the oil temp getting to ...like pushing
>> 250F ..then I know it
>> > needs a real oil cooler for hot conditions.
>> >
>> > a manual valve is not right.
>> > do it right. Thermostat controlled oil coolers have been
>> around for a long,
>> > long time.
>> > Every air-cooled Porsche 911 has one, built right into the
>> block.
>> >
>> > the water heat exchanger on 2.1 wbxr engines is a little
>> different ..
>> > it serves to help warm up the oil first, them when not
>> serves to keep the
>> > temp down a little I beleive.
>> >
>> > some people fit bigger water type oil cooler/heat
>> exchangers ...
>> > like on tdi engines ...instead of the normal size we are
>> used to on 21.
>> > wbxr's ..
>> > they put on a much taller one from a Tourareg or various
>> Audi models.
>> >
>> > but for 'real' oil cooling , for high temps and loads..
>> > I'd say ..thermostatically controlled air type external oil
>> cooler ..and
>> > mounted inside the body of the van, with decent air flow to
>> it.
>> >
>> > they are another possible failure point, but done really
>> well, there's not
>> > that much risk.
>> > The kit I put on sure looks solidly done.
>> >
>> > scott
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:13 AM
>> > Subject: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
>> >
>> >
>> > > on my "91 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile 2.1 waterboxer.
>> > >
>> > > It occurred to me that if the oil cooler works well, the
>> oil might run too
>> > > cool when ambient temperatures are relatively low. Is it
>> possible (and
>> > > practical, reasonable) to install a valve in the feed line
>> for the cooler
>> > > (and maybe another in the return line) that could be
>> opened and closed
>> > > depending on need? I realize that this would create an
>> additional
>> > > complication -- that it would be another point for
>> possible failure. Or
>> > > am I just trying to over engineer something? Anyone with
>> experience with
>> > > an auxiliary oil cooler might know if I am trying to solve
>> a problem that
>> > > doesn't exist. Maybe the oil would have no problem
>> running hot enough,
>> > > even with the extra cooling capacity.
>> > > Thanks, DMc
>> > > --
>> > > David McNeely
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>
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>>
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