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Date:         Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:05:37 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
Comments: To: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
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re But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocket J Squirrel" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler

> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:19 -0700, Jake de Villiers wrote: >> An oil cooler will make your engine live a longer and happier life >> Mike. > > But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it? > >> The Bus Boys kit doesn't include an oil thermostat - no wonder its >> cheaper. > > Ah, yes. I see. But they say, farther down that page: > > ZAP-11780 Oil Thermostat. Opens at 175º F. Bypasses Oil Cooler Below > 175º for Quick Warm-Up. Includes Fittings and Clamps. $79.35 > > NOTE: This thermostat must be installed between the oil filter and > cooler for proper operation. Strongly recommended for proper engine > warm-up in cool weather operation. > >> Tencent supplies a complete well thought out kit for your engine at a >> very reasonable price. > > Sounds like a good kit, fershure, but out of my price range. > > -- > Rocky J Squirrel > > >> >> Jake >> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Rocket J Squirrel >> <camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, does anyone know whether the Bus Boys kit at >> >> <http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html> >> >> >> is as effective as tencentlife's kit? For the 1.9L? >> >> tencentlife's kit is quite a bit more expensive than the $132 >> that BB >> wants for their ZAP-11705 kit. >> >> Finally, is putting on an oil cooler worthwhile? I mean, sure, >> it's >> awesome and cool and all that, but will my engine notice? I've >> gone up >> some mighty steep grades on very very hot days without >> overheating. >> >> >> -- >> Rocky J Squirrel >> >> >> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:33 -0700, Scott Daniel - Turbovans >> wrote: >> > any decent air type oil cooler system.. >> > will have oil flow controlled by a thermostat. >> > >> > like when cold, the oil isn't cooled by the oil cooler at >> all. >> > >> > I just put a super nice air type oil cooler onto a 91 Syncro >> with 2.1 ( >> > actually 2.2 ) waterboxer engine . >> > >> > this came from tencentlife on theSamba .. >> > Chris Corkin . >> > comes in 3 versions I think , his kit ...1.9 wbxr, 2.1 2WD >> and Sycrno. >> > I installed the top grade syncro one. >> > nice black oil radiator, about 8 or 10 inches sqare, >> > fits right behind the right tail light, comes with parts on >> it to make it >> > fit perfectly there. >> > >> > has a sandwich plate adapter at the oil cooler .......which >> is where the >> > t-stat is. >> > the deluxe syncro version has a temp triggered electric fan >> on it. >> > >> > and nice blue oil lines to connect it all. >> > the deluxe version I think is over 500 bucks though if you >> buy this >> > ready-to-bolt on kit. >> > if you buy the indifvidual parts online yourself and build >> it, costs less >> > I'm sure. >> > that it's all figured out, tested, and with very good >> instructions is sure >> > nice though...getting a kit that's all ready to install. >> > >> > for a first step on my own vans I'm going to monitor oil >> pressure and temp >> > .. >> > and if I find the oil temp getting to ...like pushing >> 250F ..then I know it >> > needs a real oil cooler for hot conditions. >> > >> > a manual valve is not right. >> > do it right. Thermostat controlled oil coolers have been >> around for a long, >> > long time. >> > Every air-cooled Porsche 911 has one, built right into the >> block. >> > >> > the water heat exchanger on 2.1 wbxr engines is a little >> different .. >> > it serves to help warm up the oil first, them when not >> serves to keep the >> > temp down a little I beleive. >> > >> > some people fit bigger water type oil cooler/heat >> exchangers ... >> > like on tdi engines ...instead of the normal size we are >> used to on 21. >> > wbxr's .. >> > they put on a much taller one from a Tourareg or various >> Audi models. >> > >> > but for 'real' oil cooling , for high temps and loads.. >> > I'd say ..thermostatically controlled air type external oil >> cooler ..and >> > mounted inside the body of the van, with decent air flow to >> it. >> > >> > they are another possible failure point, but done really >> well, there's not >> > that much risk. >> > The kit I put on sure looks solidly done. >> > >> > scott >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET> >> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:13 AM >> > Subject: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler >> > >> > >> > > on my "91 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile 2.1 waterboxer. >> > > >> > > It occurred to me that if the oil cooler works well, the >> oil might run too >> > > cool when ambient temperatures are relatively low. Is it >> possible (and >> > > practical, reasonable) to install a valve in the feed line >> for the cooler >> > > (and maybe another in the return line) that could be >> opened and closed >> > > depending on need? I realize that this would create an >> additional >> > > complication -- that it would be another point for >> possible failure. Or >> > > am I just trying to over engineer something? Anyone with >> experience with >> > > an auxiliary oil cooler might know if I am trying to solve >> a problem that >> > > doesn't exist. Maybe the oil would have no problem >> running hot enough, >> > > even with the extra cooling capacity. >> > > Thanks, DMc >> > > -- >> > > David McNeely >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jake >> >> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van' >> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie' >> >> Crescent Beach, BC >> >> www.thebassspa.com >> www.crescentbeachguitar.com >> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27 >>


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