Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:44:27 -0700
Reply-To: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
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Well, does anyone know whether the Bus Boys kit at
<http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html>
is as effective as tencentlife's kit? For the 1.9L?
tencentlife's kit is quite a bit more expensive than the $132 that BB
wants for their ZAP-11705 kit.
Finally, is putting on an oil cooler worthwhile? I mean, sure, it's
awesome and cool and all that, but will my engine notice? I've gone up
some mighty steep grades on very very hot days without overheating.
--
Rocky J Squirrel
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:33 -0700, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
> any decent air type oil cooler system..
> will have oil flow controlled by a thermostat.
>
> like when cold, the oil isn't cooled by the oil cooler at all.
>
> I just put a super nice air type oil cooler onto a 91 Syncro with 2.1 (
> actually 2.2 ) waterboxer engine .
>
> this came from tencentlife on theSamba ..
> Chris Corkin .
> comes in 3 versions I think , his kit ...1.9 wbxr, 2.1 2WD and Sycrno.
> I installed the top grade syncro one.
> nice black oil radiator, about 8 or 10 inches sqare,
> fits right behind the right tail light, comes with parts on it to make it
> fit perfectly there.
>
> has a sandwich plate adapter at the oil cooler .......which is where the
> t-stat is.
> the deluxe syncro version has a temp triggered electric fan on it.
>
> and nice blue oil lines to connect it all.
> the deluxe version I think is over 500 bucks though if you buy this
> ready-to-bolt on kit.
> if you buy the indifvidual parts online yourself and build it, costs less
> I'm sure.
> that it's all figured out, tested, and with very good instructions is sure
> nice though...getting a kit that's all ready to install.
>
> for a first step on my own vans I'm going to monitor oil pressure and temp
> ..
> and if I find the oil temp getting to ...like pushing 250F ..then I know it
> needs a real oil cooler for hot conditions.
>
> a manual valve is not right.
> do it right. Thermostat controlled oil coolers have been around for a long,
> long time.
> Every air-cooled Porsche 911 has one, built right into the block.
>
> the water heat exchanger on 2.1 wbxr engines is a little different ..
> it serves to help warm up the oil first, them when not serves to keep the
> temp down a little I beleive.
>
> some people fit bigger water type oil cooler/heat exchangers ...
> like on tdi engines ...instead of the normal size we are used to on 21.
> wbxr's ..
> they put on a much taller one from a Tourareg or various Audi models.
>
> but for 'real' oil cooling , for high temps and loads..
> I'd say ..thermostatically controlled air type external oil cooler ..and
> mounted inside the body of the van, with decent air flow to it.
>
> they are another possible failure point, but done really well, there's not
> that much risk.
> The kit I put on sure looks solidly done.
>
> scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:13 AM
> Subject: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
>
>
> > on my "91 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile 2.1 waterboxer.
> >
> > It occurred to me that if the oil cooler works well, the oil might run too
> > cool when ambient temperatures are relatively low. Is it possible (and
> > practical, reasonable) to install a valve in the feed line for the cooler
> > (and maybe another in the return line) that could be opened and closed
> > depending on need? I realize that this would create an additional
> > complication -- that it would be another point for possible failure. Or
> > am I just trying to over engineer something? Anyone with experience with
> > an auxiliary oil cooler might know if I am trying to solve a problem that
> > doesn't exist. Maybe the oil would have no problem running hot enough,
> > even with the extra cooling capacity.
> > Thanks, DMc
> > --
> > David McNeely
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