Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:25:49 -0700
Reply-To: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
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On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:19 -0700, Jake de Villiers wrote:
> An oil cooler will make your engine live a longer and happier life
> Mike.
But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?
> The Bus Boys kit doesn't include an oil thermostat - no wonder its
> cheaper.
Ah, yes. I see. But they say, farther down that page:
ZAP-11780 Oil Thermostat. Opens at 175º F. Bypasses Oil Cooler Below
175º for Quick Warm-Up. Includes Fittings and Clamps. $79.35
NOTE: This thermostat must be installed between the oil filter and
cooler for proper operation. Strongly recommended for proper engine
warm-up in cool weather operation.
> Tencent supplies a complete well thought out kit for your engine at a
> very reasonable price.
Sounds like a good kit, fershure, but out of my price range.
--
Rocky J Squirrel
>
> Jake
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Rocket J Squirrel
> <camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, does anyone know whether the Bus Boys kit at
>
> <http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html>
>
>
> is as effective as tencentlife's kit? For the 1.9L?
>
> tencentlife's kit is quite a bit more expensive than the $132
> that BB
> wants for their ZAP-11705 kit.
>
> Finally, is putting on an oil cooler worthwhile? I mean, sure,
> it's
> awesome and cool and all that, but will my engine notice? I've
> gone up
> some mighty steep grades on very very hot days without
> overheating.
>
>
> --
> Rocky J Squirrel
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:33 -0700, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> wrote:
> > any decent air type oil cooler system..
> > will have oil flow controlled by a thermostat.
> >
> > like when cold, the oil isn't cooled by the oil cooler at
> all.
> >
> > I just put a super nice air type oil cooler onto a 91 Syncro
> with 2.1 (
> > actually 2.2 ) waterboxer engine .
> >
> > this came from tencentlife on theSamba ..
> > Chris Corkin .
> > comes in 3 versions I think , his kit ...1.9 wbxr, 2.1 2WD
> and Sycrno.
> > I installed the top grade syncro one.
> > nice black oil radiator, about 8 or 10 inches sqare,
> > fits right behind the right tail light, comes with parts on
> it to make it
> > fit perfectly there.
> >
> > has a sandwich plate adapter at the oil cooler .......which
> is where the
> > t-stat is.
> > the deluxe syncro version has a temp triggered electric fan
> on it.
> >
> > and nice blue oil lines to connect it all.
> > the deluxe version I think is over 500 bucks though if you
> buy this
> > ready-to-bolt on kit.
> > if you buy the indifvidual parts online yourself and build
> it, costs less
> > I'm sure.
> > that it's all figured out, tested, and with very good
> instructions is sure
> > nice though...getting a kit that's all ready to install.
> >
> > for a first step on my own vans I'm going to monitor oil
> pressure and temp
> > ..
> > and if I find the oil temp getting to ...like pushing
> 250F ..then I know it
> > needs a real oil cooler for hot conditions.
> >
> > a manual valve is not right.
> > do it right. Thermostat controlled oil coolers have been
> around for a long,
> > long time.
> > Every air-cooled Porsche 911 has one, built right into the
> block.
> >
> > the water heat exchanger on 2.1 wbxr engines is a little
> different ..
> > it serves to help warm up the oil first, them when not
> serves to keep the
> > temp down a little I beleive.
> >
> > some people fit bigger water type oil cooler/heat
> exchangers ...
> > like on tdi engines ...instead of the normal size we are
> used to on 21.
> > wbxr's ..
> > they put on a much taller one from a Tourareg or various
> Audi models.
> >
> > but for 'real' oil cooling , for high temps and loads..
> > I'd say ..thermostatically controlled air type external oil
> cooler ..and
> > mounted inside the body of the van, with decent air flow to
> it.
> >
> > they are another possible failure point, but done really
> well, there's not
> > that much risk.
> > The kit I put on sure looks solidly done.
> >
> > scott
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:13 AM
> > Subject: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
> >
> >
> > > on my "91 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile 2.1 waterboxer.
> > >
> > > It occurred to me that if the oil cooler works well, the
> oil might run too
> > > cool when ambient temperatures are relatively low. Is it
> possible (and
> > > practical, reasonable) to install a valve in the feed line
> for the cooler
> > > (and maybe another in the return line) that could be
> opened and closed
> > > depending on need? I realize that this would create an
> additional
> > > complication -- that it would be another point for
> possible failure. Or
> > > am I just trying to over engineer something? Anyone with
> experience with
> > > an auxiliary oil cooler might know if I am trying to solve
> a problem that
> > > doesn't exist. Maybe the oil would have no problem
> running hot enough,
> > > even with the extra cooling capacity.
> > > Thanks, DMc
> > > --
> > > David McNeely
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
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>
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