Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:36:36 -0700
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From: neil n <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Oil filter question
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Thanks Don, Jake and Scott.
Seems once it's up to temp, I can hear the sound. Isn't there when
engine cold first started.
I just found a low profile oil pan (closes up so can be used as a grey
water catch. May also fit up in the luggage rack. Thanks for that tip
Phil Zimmerman!)
Likely isn't an accessory though good tip and easy to check. (one
belt) It sounds like the noise is coming from the pan area. I made a
little video of it with my camera but not sure if I can upload it from
this old laptop. We'll see.
I may pull over an do an oil change.
Neil.
On 11/4/10, Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Try backing off the throttle at a constant speed in order to unload the rod
> bearings - slightly on the gas, slightly off - and listen.
>
> That will show a bad wrist pin or big end bearing. The wrist pin is more
> metallic/high frequency, the big end bearing somewhat lower in pitch.
>
> Good luck Neil!
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:38 PM, neil n <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Right. Ok. Got it. :)
>>
>> I"ll try the old "brake pedal down, accelerator down, clutch half way
>> up" trick and see if the sound gets louder. It's a subtle noise. I too
>> thought "rod bearing". Had van at Petersons in Pt. Angeles. WA. Of
>> course it didn't make the sound. His description of a rod bearing
>> going south was similar to yours.
>>
>> It's running fine. Maybe I'll put in 15w40 next change when I get home.
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>> Neil in Langlois OR
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/1/10, Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > What I'm saying is that both Golfs spun fine with 15W40 oil at -20
>> degrees
>> > C.
>> >
>> > Main bearings don't 'clack', they pound in a really low-frequency way.
>> It
>> > almost sounds like you're describing a bad rod bearing...can you induce
>> it
>> > by unloading the rod?
>> >
>> > Jake
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:58 PM, neil n <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Right on Jake. I should look into the larger capacity filter. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Am just south of Lincoln City OR. All good (except weather) but have
>> >> to wonder if the subtle intermittent low pitched clack is a main
>> >> bearing or related due to using 10w/30. This only happens after a hard
>> >> run up long hills, hotter weather.
>> >>
>> >> The starter wiring is fine. It spins real good with the thinner oil.
>> >> Only spun slower when dead cold w/15w40.
>> >>
>> >> NEil.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/31/10, Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hey Neil, maybe you should check your starter wiring. I used to run
>> >> 15W40
>> >> > in the 1987 (486,000 km!) and then the 1990 Golf all year round here
>> >> > with
>> >> no
>> >> > problems.
>> >> >
>> >> > I used to use the Bosch filters, then the Mann - always in the diesel
>> >> size
>> >> > for the extra capacity.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jake
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM, neil n <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Don. FWIW, I'm using a Mahle or Mann... think it's Mann, and 10/30.
>> >> >> Was using 15/40 but too thick it seems. Especially in colder months.
>> >> >> (cranking engine cold)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dennis Haynes has written lots about oil and filters. :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neil.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/31/10, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > I see the Mahle oil filter is what everyone says to use, but I
>> have
>> >> >> been
>> >> >> > using Fram or whatever I can get easily. I have always changed my
>> >> >> > oil
>> >> >> more
>> >> >> > frequently than most. Until I swapped motors, only if my motor
>> >> >> > sat
>> >> for
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > few days would my lifters click on start up....now they seem to
>> click
>> >> >> every
>> >> >> > time for perhaps 10 seconds or so...not so good, I imagine. Is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Mahle
>> >> >> > filter supposed to help with this...some kinda drain-back valve in
>> it
>> >> or
>> >> >> > something?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For complete disclosure...I have an inline VW motor, gas.
>> Mounted
>> >> as
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > diesel at 50degrees. I kept the same head, unchanged and
>> undisturbed
>> >> >> when I
>> >> >> > recently changed over to an ABA block, which also has the newer
>> style
>> >> >> > oil/water interchange filter mounting. Dunno if that changes
>> >> anything.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Don Hanson
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jake
>> >> >
>> >> > 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>> >> > 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>> >> >
>> >> > Crescent Beach, BC
>> >> >
>> >> > www.thebassspa.com
>> >> > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> >> > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
>> >>
>> >> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jake
>> >
>> > 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>> > 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>> >
>> > Crescent Beach, BC
>> >
>> > www.thebassspa.com
>> > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
>>
>> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>
--
Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
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