Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:37:52 -0600
Reply-To: Ry <rylincoln@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Ry <rylincoln@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Other groups - a better one? - gasp!
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I think the vanagon wiki idea is good.
The problem I see is that there is no content, and this seems to be because
the original data loss created a backlash against putting in efforts for
something that is not going to be backed up. I'd like to know who owns this
domain (a whois.net lookup did not turn up this info right away just that it
was registered through GoDaddy and that the nameserver resolves to
"wildwestdomains" and that the final hop resolves to this
208.69.42.148<http://208.69.42.148/resume/> server).
Perhaps if people are given good reason to think positive about such an idea
then it would (re)grow into a nice source of information for all. Or maybe
I'm a socialist commie punk who believes we're all in this together and that
the free flow of easily accessible information built by and for the people
is the ideal.
-Ry
http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
> Good teachers not only teach people things, they also write it down so
> that future generations can start where they left off. That was the the
> frustration that I have with the list that sometimes it seems that I
> feel like Bill Murray in Ground Hog's Day. Yes I know that it is good
> for my business to give free help to folks on this list and you all know
> that I do and will continue to do so. However it would be nice to have
> a feeling that we are building something over the course of time and not
> just repeating in an endless cycle.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Wilford
> John 3:16
> www.vanagain.com
> Phone: 856-327-4936
> Fax: 856-327-2242
>
>
>
>
> On 11/9/2010 9:33 AM, Mark L. Hineline wrote:
>
>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Ken Wilford wrote:
>>
>> Over the years we have seen many awesome minds and mechanics come
>>> and gone (Bob Donalds is one) and speaking as a long time member,
>>> the biggest issue is the feeling of BTDT.
>>>
>>
>> Two comments about this, Ken. First, as all teachers know, BTDT is
>> what it's all about. Anyone who doesn't want to teach on the list can
>> exercise the delete button. But I don't think that hazing people is
>> the best course of action. The best course of action is to turn
>> neophytes into experts and let them teach the next group of neophytes.
>>
>> Far more Vanagon-specific, every time a question comes up, it's
>> actually a new question. Example: when I did my first 2.0 L rebuild,
>> the advice I got was to go to Mark Stephens for my heads, which I did.
>> Great advice, great heads, but he was out of business by the time I
>> got around to sending back my cores.
>>
>> (Mark Stephens is still lurking in the archives, and always will be.)
>>
>> And unless there's some BTDT, who is going to know that you are in
>> business? BTDT is going to send people to Bus Depot for, well,
>> everything. Which is okay, but there are other good suppliers.
>>
>> Our vans are aging. We're finding out what goes wrong after 15 years,
>> and 20 years, and 25 years. Suppliers come and go. Parts go from cheap
>> to pricey to NLA.
>>
>> Also, as you know, when gerry started spitting out emails all those
>> years ago, almost everyone was on dial up. Part of the reason for the
>> "check the archives first" attitude was that we were sucking
>> information through straws back then. Remember 1200 baud modems?
>>
>> The "BT" in BTDT is in the past. This is today. None of us have every
>> done today before.
>>
>> Mark
>> '82 Westy
>>
>>
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