Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:38:26 -0800
Reply-To: mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
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From: mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Replace Heads or Engine? I-4.
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It has all been done before, even by people here on the list over the
years. The right diesel mounting parts are getting easier to find than
they were, since people now bring those parts over from Europe from
junked diesel Vanagons there. It costs about $700-1000 to get everything
useful from a diesel Vanagon using these sources.
Neil did a 15 degree install afaik, a totally different bird. He used a
Kennedy "kit" and fabricated a lot of stuff on his own. Kennedy sells
their pieces for either 15 degree or 50 degree and even setup for both
if you ask.
You really need 1983 and later diesel mounting parts, not the more
common 1982 parts. Most USA/CA diesel vans are 1982. Europe got diesel
vans from 1981-1992 so there are about 500,000 potential parts donors
from abroad, many of the most desirable 83+ and even Syncro parts.
Don has a 1984 van converted with all 1983 diesel van donor parts. This
is the easiest combination to convert a wbx to inline with since you
would have all the right hoses and cooling system parts as well as no PS
to deal with. Most people would have a more complicated conversion to
achieve. I have done it, I know 10 guys off the top of my head who have
done it. Unless you are just converting an original diesel van to a gas
van the conversion is a lot more involved than Don seems to think.
Mark
Stephen Grisanti wrote:
> I like the idea of the VW I-4 swap and wish the parts were more widely available. It would be nice to be able to easily find all the diesel parts (bellhousing, oil pan, carrier bar, etc.) for the 50 degree install if/when the urge or need strikes, but that is part of what makes the Sube and the others attractive. I see the diesel parts on Samba and ebay occasionally.
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> When we bought our '87 Westy the PO had already made notes in the van's "life book" (she was an adoption professional with the county) about recommendations for the all-VW method and had apparently discussed this with a local shop, so the knowledge is out there.
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> I'm curious about the possibility of adapting the stock I-4 gasser parts to serve in a 50 degree install. Are the diesel pan and oil pump essential, or can you slice-and-dice the gasser steel pan and oil pump pickup to resemble the diesel pieces and serve as well? Just thinking out loud here, but someone must have done it. Neil's homebrewed swap comes immediately to mind, but I think that even he used a lot of factory parts. With the Kennedy adaptor it might make the project much more attractive to those of us so inclined.
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> I'll admit I'm unlikely to be the pioneer in this enterprise, since I have a gravel drive for a workspace and little room beyond that. There won't be an I-4 lounging in the driveway while I figure how to make it work, but if I knew this path had been trod before I might be more adventurous. Meanwhile, the WBX runs fine so this remains just an academic exercise for me and besides, the honey-do list has priority.
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> Stephen
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