Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:37:50 -0800
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From: neil n <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Was: New Heads. Now: VW I4 Swap by Shop. Competitive Price?
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On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are right, Mark.
>
> That is the drawback--either way, ...shops are expensive. I know of none
> that specialize in or even advertise for inline gas VW to Vanagon
> conversions, in the US anyhow.
> Using the figures posted for rebuilt WBX motors and heads, however, plus
> the shop time to exchange the motors, etc..I'd *guess* if you did find a
> shop with a VW and Vanagon savvy knowledgeable and willing mechanic who
> wanted the work, you'd spend less having them install an inline and you
> would have an 'argueably' better motor when done with the conversion. I
> guessed "1/2 the cost" of the $4000 motor, + remove and replace...using the
> hours and cost of my own recent work to the inline in my van, working as a
> total neophyte without air tools or a hoist or even a good tools set...And
> putting in a large 'fudge-factor', too..
>
> Finding a shop to do the work...that seems the hard part...And, if I were
> a shop, myself, I might be reluctant to take on one of these swaps. If I
> had plenty of other work, work right out of the "Flat Rate" Book, why bother
> with something unknown? You gotta pay the rent and 'sure thing' jobs pay
> the rent...
>
An example of a shop doing I4 swaps. From the Autobahn website via
links page on the I4 site I started:
http://theautobahnsociety.com/Engine_2L.htm
Not sure what "starting at" means though.
My take. Scenario: WBX Vanagon, only a rebuilt or new engine needed.
Perfect world: VW I4 swap experienced shop with streamlined process,
no mark up on parts, motor freshen, R&R, fabbing labour all accurately
listed. Low shop rate. That might offer a competitive alternative.
Real world: markup on parts. Labour not detailed. (Even if detailed,
most wouldn't likely know what to question should they choose to do
so. i.e. where does one find a "book" price on labour for this type of
swap?) Shop rate higher.
Not suggesting a shop is being sly or unethical doing the latter. It's
just business as they say.
Maybe a VW I4 swap could compete with a rebuilt WBX but as you infer,
they would lose money.
Personally I think it's a viable option for the right person/vehicle
but as we're fond of saying, YMMV. :)
Neil.
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Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
--
Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"
http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engines
