Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:51:25 -0800
Reply-To: Daryl Christensen <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
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From: Daryl Christensen <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....FIXED
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Brett..The bushing will wear out again if its not tight in its hole. At a
minimum you need to locktite it in there. We toss any housing that the
bushing wont tap in hard...
Daryl of AA Transaxle
425-788-4070
"On the cutting edge of Old technology"
86 Syncro Westy with a Zetec in the trunk
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
brett rueff
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:06 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....FIXED
Well, im back up and running. Last night stopped my VW dealer and picked up
my $9 starter bushing. It went in too easy for my liking - after greasing i
could push it in with my little finger - I was a bit worried the starter
might extract it out when it retracts. But she cranks faster than ever. so
it was just an out of round bushing causing armature to contact windings.
Nice to be back on the road. Good for the archives with my old bushing
pictures. Looking at the bently it calls for sealant when reattaching
starter to block - are people doing that. I didn't have any, so skipped it
figuring I can take it off and apply later as I needed the car today.
To answer a few questions:
Scott - it does look like an old VW starter with some rusty housing. 5 years
ago I was the "shotgun" home mechanic where I would just spray new parts
around everywhere to fix things. Im trying to stop that, and after bench
testing the starter with someone knowledgable at the rebuilders who
"suspected" it was good that was good enough for me to leave the starter as
likely the very last thing to replace/check. The bushing happened to be the
second last. When I got the bushing out that was my "aha"...I was pretty
confident I had found the culprit. And you are right - he was a good guy at
the rebuild house - he was straight with me and told me starter was probably
ok and he thought it was the bushing from my description - he gave me a free
bushing but the O.D. was out and I had to order it for VW. He didn't make
any money from me this time, but he will next time with service like that.
I think I will service the starter when I get some down time for regular
maitenance.
Thanks to all the regulars for helping out. I love this forum.
Now onto resealing fuel filler line....dealing with the screechy rad
fan......dealing with oil dipstick for soobee........screeching
speedo......lubing seats........getting the new rubber.......
Brett
> From: scottdaniel@turbovans.com
> To: rueffy@HOTMAIL.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:02:52 -0800
>
> all this time I've been curious as to how old the starter looks, visually.
>
> is it like some semi-fresh rebuilt one you think should work ?
> or is it the typical 20 or so old Vanagon starter ..with flakey paint on
> it, rust, etc ?
> if it 'looks old;' it probably is.
>
> if you remove the two long screws holding the rear cover on, where the
> brushes are....
> sometimes when you do that, and pull the rear cover off a little ( there's
a
> smaller cover mounted with two screws - remove that first, there's a
clever
> clip under there ) ...
> sometimes if you pull that cover out a little a ton of brush particles and
> bushing material that's just powder, fall out.
> I like Bosch Rebuilt Starters only..
> not Bosch starters that are rebuilt, but genuine Bosch Rebuilt Starters.
>
> fwiw, I have seen both ends of the scale..
> a starter that looks perfect inside that doesn't work,
> and a trashed looking one in side that works fine.
>
> what you want to see is 'aha, this is it' ...........obviously.
> These starters come apart easily..
>
> if you run one without the bushing support ..the armature could contact
the
> windings on the outside..
> the rebuilder guy must know that though.
> usually they'll want to rebuilt it, that's what they do of course.
>
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brett rueff" <rueffy@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
>
>
> Larry and all.
> I had two places bench test my stater....one (canadian tire) was ignorant
to
> the fact that it would not be a true test without the pilot bushing....the
> other was a dedicated starter rebuilder that was quite helpful and was
> aware. He bench tested it anyway and said despite not having the bushing
he
> can gauge the general health of the starter by the RPM it obtains....not
> sure how true that was...
> Brett
>
> >
> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:22:35 -0800
> > From: Daryl Christensen <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
> > Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
> >
> > They cant unless you bring the starter in bolted to a bell housing...
> >
> > Daryl of AA Transaxle
> > 425-788-4070
> > "On the cutting edge of Old technology"
> > 86 Syncro Westy with a Zetec in the trunk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Alofs [mailto:lalofs@gmail.com]=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:21 AM
> > To: Daryl Christensen
> > Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> > Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
> >
> > How does the typical FLAPS test a MT vanagon starter? Do they have a
> > fixture to support the end of the shaft like the bushing does when the
> > starter is installed?
> >
> > Been wondering about this for some time.
> >
> > Larry A.
> >
>
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>
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