Date:         Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:21:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Larry Alofs <lalofs@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Larry Alofs <lalofs@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
Comments: To: Daryl Christensen <daryl@aatransaxle.com>
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How does the typical FLAPS test a MT vanagon starter?  Do they have a
fixture to support the end of the shaft like the bushing does when the
starter is installed?

Been wondering about this for some time.

Larry A.


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Daryl Christensen <daryl@aatransaxle.com> wrote:
> That bushing is bad and the starter nose looks to be eating it up and maybe
> putting the starter in a bind. As the starter doesn't have a bushing in that
> end to support the armature, it relies on the bushing to keep it centered
> internally.
>
> Daryl of AA Transaxle
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> David Beierl
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
>
> At 12:47 AM 12/8/2010, brett rueff wrote:
>>- I thought it might be the bushing - it looked pretty dry and the
>>end of the starter shaft is a little scored.  As a test I threw some
>>grease in there, reassembled (I can remove/replace starter in about
>>5 minutes now!) and thought if there was binding some fresh grease
>>might temporarily smooth it out to confirm the theory...alas - no change.
>>- Finally I took a known good battery under the car and used jumper
>>leads to put 12V directly to starter - its still anemic.
>>With the 12V directly on the starter and still very slow crank all I
>>can think of is its the starter despite its passing test at the FLAPS....
>
> I think the bushing is in bad shape -- in this picture it looks
> thinned out on the left side, and all those chips came from somewhere
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55896090@N04/5242491575/in/photostream/
>
> But hie thee to an automotive electrics shop with your starter and
> have them put it on the growler.  That will tell you if there are
> shorted turns in the armature, which at this point I rather suspect.
>
> Yours,
> David
>