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Date:         Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:02:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....
Comments: To: brett rueff <rueffy@HOTMAIL.COM>
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all this time I've been curious as to how old the starter looks, visually.

is it like some semi-fresh rebuilt one you think should work ? or is it the typical 20 or so old Vanagon starter ..with flakey paint on it, rust, etc ? if it 'looks old;' it probably is.

if you remove the two long screws holding the rear cover on, where the brushes are.... sometimes when you do that, and pull the rear cover off a little ( there's a smaller cover mounted with two screws - remove that first, there's a clever clip under there ) ... sometimes if you pull that cover out a little a ton of brush particles and bushing material that's just powder, fall out. I like Bosch Rebuilt Starters only.. not Bosch starters that are rebuilt, but genuine Bosch Rebuilt Starters.

fwiw, I have seen both ends of the scale.. a starter that looks perfect inside that doesn't work, and a trashed looking one in side that works fine.

what you want to see is 'aha, this is it' ...........obviously. These starters come apart easily..

if you run one without the bushing support ..the armature could contact the windings on the outside.. the rebuilder guy must know that though. usually they'll want to rebuilt it, that's what they do of course.

Scott www.turbovans.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "brett rueff" <rueffy@HOTMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:45 PM Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking....

Larry and all. I had two places bench test my stater....one (canadian tire) was ignorant to the fact that it would not be a true test without the pilot bushing....the other was a dedicated starter rebuilder that was quite helpful and was aware. He bench tested it anyway and said despite not having the bushing he can gauge the general health of the starter by the RPM it obtains....not sure how true that was... Brett

> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:22:35 -0800 > From: Daryl Christensen <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM> > Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking.... > > They cant unless you bring the starter in bolted to a bell housing... > > Daryl of AA Transaxle > 425-788-4070 > "On the cutting edge of Old technology" > 86 Syncro Westy with a Zetec in the trunk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Alofs [mailto:lalofs@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:21 AM > To: Daryl Christensen > Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > Subject: Re: 91 Vanagon Manual - slow cranking.... > > How does the typical FLAPS test a MT vanagon starter? Do they have a > fixture to support the end of the shaft like the bushing does when the > starter is installed? > > Been wondering about this for some time. > > Larry A. >

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