Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:27:32 -0800
Reply-To: BenT Syncro <syncro@GMAIL.COM>
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From: BenT Syncro <syncro@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: OFF: AA doctors
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Just to correct my timeline:
Bob sent 1:10pm
Arrived. 1:35pm
Bob sent 1:50pm
Arrived. 2:12pm
Scott sent 2:18pm
Arrived. 2:32pm
So only six minutes transpired not 28. Listmember 'M' brought this to my attention. Still well before the response.
BenT
On Dec 31, 2010, at 3:09 PM, BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> The correct course of action would have been to pmail the moderators.
>
> Secondly, you should have noted Bob's apology for the erroneous post 28 minutes before your posting.
>
> Lastly, it's Friday. We would have let it it slip by.
>
> Have a safe and sane NYE celebration. Nothing wrong with doing it sober.
>
>
> BenT
> Mod
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>
>> looks like someone posted on the wrong group. ( 'maybe' lol )
>>
>> moderator/s ?
>>
>> happy end of the old year everyone !
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Stevens" <mtbiker62@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: OFF: AA doctors
>>
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2010, at 1:35 PM, KC Joe wrote:
>>
>>> Joe here, alcoholic.
>>>
>>> The self-proclaimed 'AA doctors' should be held legally accountable for
>>> their patients deaths.
>>>
>>> I take my medication as prescribed at the times prescribed. For me,
>>> taking
>>> the prescribed medication is simply a notch on the rung of going to all
>>> lengths to stay sober one day at a time.
>> snip
>>>
>>> After talking to me for a while,
>>> her husband Robert went to the parking lot, got into my car and took the
>>> 9mm
>>> out then they took me to the hospital where I stayed for two weeks. I was
>>> properly diagnosed and was prescribed proper medication that keeps me
>>> sane.
>>> I receive no 'high' from it nor am I looking for one.
>>
>> Precisely. This subject gets lots of mileage online and in the F2F AA world
>> as we
>> all know. Don't know why. With so many old timers in my hood, proclaiming
>> knowledge of recovery and the basic text of recovery, you'd think that page
>> 133 would
>> be included in that context (recovery by-the-book) ... but it's not, and by
>> just enough that
>> this misconception is still being proselytized.
>>
>> I have had to admit that the death (natural causes incident to old age) of
>> an old timer
>> around here gave me a real sense of relief. He was one of the primary
>> perpetrators
>> of his way of recovery and interpretation of our book, and must have told
>> 100's of
>> "us" over the years that if "mood-altering medications" (not drugs) were
>> being used, that the
>> person was not sober. The usual results followed, by those not well informed
>> and
>> easily influenced by .b on page 60. Thankfully, that message has in fact
>> toned down
>> and lost some purchase with his passing. Strange what some of us alcoholics
>> can
>> contrive out of fairly simple black text on white paper.
>>
>> By the way, just for interpretation/definition sake: as Joe said, he's
>> taking prescribed
>> medication. If I'm using medications that are not prescribed to me, I'm
>> taking drugs,
>> not medications, and am doing so "for-the-high". By implication I'm saying
>> that it's
>> not the "chemical" being ingested, it's the motive and intent.
>>
>> I wonder why it is at times, that what's in The Book is used like a club;
>> and what's NOT in there
>> is also used like it is recovery from alcoholism, even if it's contrary to
>> what is in The Book?
>>
>> Hoping your new year has good things in store.
>>
>> Bob
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