Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:22:43 -0800
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: first time buyer
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Oh good grief!
*"The buyer doesn't know if you are a reseller of one vehicle after another
that you grab up from wherever you can get them, and try to flip them as
soon as possible, or someone who is selling his old, beloved, and well cared
for honey bucket."*
Surely if I were a curbside reseller I would tell you a well rehearsed story
calculated to put you at ease and increase the chance of a sale.
And McNeely, around here a 'Honey Bucket' is a portapotti! ;)
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> ---- mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET> wrote:
> > It is all a matter of degree and he said he would give that buyer the
> > boot so you would be walking already. Some buyers know almost nothing
> > about cars in general and even less about Vanagons in particular. I
> > would give the boot as well to someone like that who I could tell was
> > working from a canned list of questions as their basis for otherwise
> > ignorant buying. They should not buy a 20-30 year old vehicle and I
> > would generally decline to be the one who sold them one. Some people
> > would use such a list as a basis for trying to reduce the price.
> > Depending on the circumstances those people would likely get the boot
> > from me as well unless they uncovered a real issue that I was unaware of
> > and hadn't already allowed for. Every one of our vintage vehicles has
> > things wrong with it to one degree or another. I would not pretend
> > otherwise to a buyer. A buyer who expected wholly unrealistic perfection
> > should also expect to pay unrealistically as well. Like GoWesty vehicle
> > buyers perhaps?
>
> "unless they uncovered a real issue that I was unaware of
> > and hadn't already allowed for."
>
> But you would not give them a chance to uncover the "real issue." You may
> feel justified in your behavior, but if your vehicle is what you represent
> it to be, then you should help the buyer to come to understand that
> particular vehicle, on terms that the buyer can benefit from. If you are
> not willing to do that, then why are you in the business of selling a
> vehicle? You give, by your attitude, prospective buyers reason not to trust
> that your vehicle is as you represent it.
>
> I am not a complete idiot about vehicles, and I do have legitimate concerns
> in dealing with a person I do not know. Anyone who doesn't understand that
> ............ .
>
> I have walked from sellers who would not answer my questions, and I will do
> so again. "Why are you selling the vehicle?" is something to give the buyer
> the boot for? Good grief .............. . The buyer doesn't know if you
> are a reseller of one vehicle after another that you grab up from wherever
> you can get them, and try to flip them as soon as possible, or someone who
> is selling his old, beloved, and well cared for honey bucket.
>
> mcneely
>
> > Dave Mcneely wrote:
> > > With all due respect, someone looking to buy a vehicle is looking to
> take a great risk. That person does not usually know the seller. this is
> his or her chance to get to know the vehicle. A seller who does not want to
> answer questions or help the prospective buyer get to know the vehicle is
> one from whom a buyer would be well advised to walk away. "Trust me" is the
> most dangerous advice ever given by a vehicle seller to a prospective buyer.
> Sorry Dave, but I would always walk from a seller with the attitude you've
> expressed.
> > >
> > > McNeely
> > >
> > > ---- David Vickery<david_vickery@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > >> Al, If someone shows up with a list like that, they would get the
> boot. I am the kind of person you want to buy a van from but my patience
> would be exhausted with that level of questioning from a newbie.
> > >>
>
> --
> David McNeely
>
--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX - 'The Grey Van'
1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Subie - 'Dixie'
Crescent Beach, BC
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