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Date:         Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:01:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: 1.9 Running issues when wet out
Comments: To: craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
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yes, quite true .. some Bosch stuff that we get now is not 'good german' etc. Still preferred over some off brand black plastic distributor cap or whatever.

and absolutely, just because a part is new-new, doesn't automatically mean it can't be faulty.

which is part of why I emphasize testing and diagnosis rather than a 'part focused approach to making our vangons happy. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig cowan" <phishman068@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: Re: 1.9 Running issues when wet out

> "I would only use real Bosch parts though. All others are automatically > suspect." > I have to say, this is a completely rediculous statement. > In many cases, of the manufacturers are just relabeling the same parts. > Furthermore, BOSCH is now often made in mexico, and i've received some > terrible quality Bosch parts. > I hardly believe that BOSCH is in anyway above suspect, and that other > brands are in any way automatically inferior. > > Never expect that a "NEW" part is automatically good. > > > -Craig > > > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >> An 85 normally has the later 'pin' type plug wires, cap, and coil, which >> are >> better than the previously used type. >> >> I would only use real Bosch parts though. All others are automatically >> suspect. >> I find the Bosch parts to be so long lasting and reliable, I rarely ever >> have to replace any - cap and rotor and generally ..plug wires too. >> >> also ...just having too large plug gaps ( from wear usually ) can make >> spark >> plug wires want to leak. Path of least resistance of course. >> Scott >> turbovans >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Haynes" <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:36 PM >> Subject: Re: 1.9 Running issues when wet out >> >> >> I would start by checking the ignition system. The cap, rotor, and wires >>> are >>> the primary suspects. The 1.9L engine had a distributor cap with the >>> metal >>> interference shield. Dirt and road salt can make a film from the wires >>> to >>> the can making a short when wet. The alter engines used a conductive >>> plastic >>> shield. The later cap can be used with the "Pin" type wires. The shield >>> can >>> also be transferred to the earlier cap if you have the early wires. >>> Later >>> wires often work with both styles of caps. Make sure the plugs are in >>> good >>> shape and properly gapped. Make sure the top of the ignition coil is >>> clean >>> and check carefully for any signs of carbon arching. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Jeff Lincoln >>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:10 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: 1.9 Running issues when wet out >>> >>> OK, I've been dealing with this for some time now. When it rains (snow >>> doesn't seem to bother it) a medium to hard rain I can get about 15-20 >>> minutes down the road before rough running and eventually the engine >>> just >>> dies out. >>> >>> Cap, rotor, plug wires are all new. New Temp Sensor too (because >>> previous >>> diagnostics had proven it was a bit wonky). >>> >>> Everything in my gut tells me this is an electrical issue but I don't >>> know >>> for sure and even if I did I don't know where to start. >>> >>> When this happens if I let the bus sit for a day I can get it running >>> again >>> - but it takes a lot of messing with it - it will not idle at first, >>> then >>> it >>> will run rough and stall - each attempt getting longer and longer until >>> eventually I am able to keep it running and it recovers and runs fine. >>> One >>> other thing during the rough running period (when the problem starts and >>> after it has sat and I am trying to get it going again) is that if I >>> give >>> it >>> any gas at all it will stall immediately - eventually of course it is >>> fine. >>> >>> I suspect by the way it acts after it has sat that it eventually gets >>> better >>> becuase whatever is wet is drying off more and more. Then again I don't >>> really know anything. >>> >>> Any advice at all pointing me in ANY direction at this point is welcome. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jeff >>> '85 GL (Gertie) >>> '90 Carat (Grover - the noble parts donor) >>> '86 (We call this one Scrap) >>> '78 Bus (Melissa) Patty's Bus >>> >>


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