Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:07:55 -0800
Reply-To: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM>
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From: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Originally: JLP rebuilt wbxr engines in Denver
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Scott, I am surprised that 1.9 and 2.1 liners are the same size or sort of. Busdepot sells 2.1 liners at $707 a set and about $400 a set for 1.9 (German or Brazilian). When I take the engine apart I will compare them and see if there is any obvious differences. I thought the barrels may be the same and the pistons are different to account for the larger displacement. If the pistons are the same then the 2.1's larger displacement is achieved by the crank. I guess that's entirely possible.
Ken, thanks for the info regarding the availability of a cheaper option for a set of 2.1 liners. I have never heard that there are liners other than Brazilian made (or German OEM?). I have no doubt yours is an excellent alternative. Your price is excellent. I wonder why Busdepot wants $707. And it's Brazilian made.
Dennis, you are right that pistons are wear items and usually wear more obviously than cylinders. I do hope that the original pistons being OEM are OK for some more miles with new rings and new barrels. If I were to go for a full rebuild I would not go this way to save. I just want to get a few more years on the engine then retire the engine or retire the entire Vanagon. I totally understand that I could find show stoppers at the time I take it apart for resealing the heads. I have had to add coolant every month and the bottom of the engine indicates coolant leak from the heads. I may realize that a replacement engine or a complete rebuild is awaiting.
Anyway, I will find out if it is possible to use the new barrels and new rings from the new (old stock) of a 1.9 liner set. I may find, as Dennis said, that they don't match well with my original 2.1 pistons.
Thanks again.
MJ in sunny California
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Originally: JLP rebuilt wbxr engines in Denver
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 9:36 AM
hi MJ,
I'm not 1000 % certain this is correct, but my understanding is that the
pistons and barrels on 1.9's and 2.'1 are the same.
the 2.1 stoke is longer,
and 2.1 Volkswagon brand heads are different than 1.9 heads ( combustion
chamber volume )
( though AMC heads fit either ) .
Call a parts supplier and ask, or...
a quick google seacrh gets this ..
one company showing they're the same for both engines .
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_act_page.render_pageID_657_lang_EN_country_GB.htm
the external physical dimensions of both engines are the same, so either
engine will bolt in where the other was, btw.,
on a Brazilian set of P & B's I got a while back, that I put on a 1.9.
The top of the barrels fit much too tightly into the heads ..
like sheered aluminum off the head ..they fit so tightly.
I had to spend hours hand lapping the barrels to fit into the cylinders
properly, and not jam there.
It worked out nicely ..
but they were not dimensionally exactly correct.
typical I could almost say for parts we get these days, sometimes.
scott
turbovans
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Originally: JLP rebuilt wbxr engines in Denver
While we are on this subject can I ask a related question? Sorry, Scott, I
hope you don't mind I ask this question on this topic.
I bought a new Brazilian 1.9L cylinder/piston liner set several years ago. I
picked it up cheap when someone wanted to unload it on Craigslist. The
problem is my 85 has a 2.1 engine on it. So here is my question.
Can I use the new cylinders and the new rings out of this new 1.9L liner set
and install them on my 2.1 engine? This means I am reusing the 2.1 pistons.
My understanding of the difference between 1.9 and 2.1 liners is only in the
pistons. The cylinder bores and possibly the rings are identical.
I believe it is about time to reseal my 2.1 cylinder heads. I may take this
opportunity to renew the cylinders and all the rings. Is this a good idea or
not?
This is similar to what that company does (but with a new set of cylinders)
for the advertised engine. I assume that my pistons are still good. I don't
want a full rebuild at this time. Thanks for any suggestions.
MJ in sunny California
(81 degree F in Oakland today)
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> Hi ..
> anyone ever deal with or hear anything about this company ?
>
> http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-vanagon-21l-engine
>
> a 2.1 is $ 1,865 US with no core required..
> and all new bearings blah blah blah ..
> but used pistons with new rings and honed original barrels ( ??...sounds
> strange to me )
>
> so anyone ...?
> A customer is suggesting/wondering about this option.
>
> thanks
> scott
>
--
Casey
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