Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:00:48 -0500
Reply-To: Mike <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
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From: Mike <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: bolts et al
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I have 3 original dealer parts books for Beetle and KG dated circa '68.
Mine have no finish references in the hardware descriptions, or an N listing
section in any of them.
:(
Mike B.
-----Original Message-----
From: Old Volks Home
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:41 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: bolts et al
Mike -
The old "print" Factory Parts Catalogs used up thru 1973 offered a lot
of information, especially regarding "finish" appearance. The "print"
books of each model had a specific "N" listing section, in numerical
order, for that model and is a wealth information in that regard.
When VAG went to microfiche in late 1973, they made a separate fiche
for "Standard Hardware" in 3 languages, English, French and German.
You could even look up a piece of hardware alphabetically (useful IF
you know the correct [ie: their] terminology/nomenclature of the item)
or numerically. But much of the "finish" information disappeared,
leaving only the "N" number, a brief, sometimes encrypted description,
dimension(s), class (hardness rating like 8.8 or 10.9, etc.,), the
actual DIN code, a remarks column sometimes (but not often) listing
the "finish" appearance, but that was about it.
ETKA is even worse, showing only the "N" number, description,
dimension(s) and class.
Sometimes, when I see a number on the fiche or in ETKA, I'll break
open one of the older print catalogs to see if it appears there to
gain more information. But that's getting harder to do because of VAG
supersessions since 1973 to the newer "N" numbers. Sometimes the
newer number has a different "finish" appearance than the old number,
sometimes it's just the same piece with a newer number, period. This
gets frustrating when trying to stay "original".
--
Jim Thompson
84 GL 1.9 "Gloria"
84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt"
72 411 Station Wagon "Pug"
75 914 1.8 "Nancy"
Full Timing Since March 1999
oldvolkshome@gmail.com
http://www.oldvolkshome.com
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> Thanks so much for that, Alistair! Great info!
>
> While we're on this subject, does anyone know how to look up the specs for
> a
> certain VW fastener? By N #? By ETKA?
> I'm interested in general finishes for restoration work. Black oxide for
> chassis? Yellow Cad-plating for general body-use? Phospate coating for
> assemblies trhat will be painted?
> Inquiring minds want to know EXACT details for accurate restoration work.
> German automotive, DIN or VW-related info only, please!
> Thanks for your assistance, if you can help.
> Mike B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alistair Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:08 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: bolts et al
>
> The recent talk on spare tire bolt reminded me that I have a nice
> overview of fastener tech. on my blog,
>
> http://shufti.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/fastener-info-and-reference/
>
>
>
> alistair
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