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Date:         Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:40:50 -0700
Reply-To:     Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      ADMINISTRIVIA [VANAGON] Friday mod discussion - language
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The following is what EVERYONE received when they joined (except those of us who have been here since lenti, of course.) You'll note that there are no published "rules" but rather a discussion of list etiquette. That is because we historically have felt that we are civilized adults here. Civilized adults usually don't require "rules" but rather operate according to the mores of the society they're in. This is our attempt to codify those mores for the society known as 'The Vanagon List.'

If you all feel that this is insufficient, we will certainly entertain changes.

Jim Arnott List Admin vanagon@gerry

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You have been added to the vanagon mailing list (Vanagon & EuroVan discussion list) by Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>.

Please SAVE THIS MESSAGE for future reference, especially if this is the first time you subscribe to an electronic mailing list. If you ever need to leave the list, you will find the necessary instructions below. Perhaps more importantly, saving a copy of this message (and of all future subscription notices from other mailing lists) in a special mail folder will give you instant access to the list of mailing lists that you are subscribed to. This may prove very useful the next time you go on vacation and need to leave the lists temporarily so as not to fill up your mailbox while you are away! You should also save the "welcome messages" from the list owners that you will occasionally receive after subscribing to a new list.

For a lot of information about Vanagons and EuroVans, see the web pages at: http://www.vanagon.com/

+-------------------+ | List Etiquette | +-------------------+

Due to the volume on the Vanagon list and the multigenerational nature of the discussions, it would be a great help if you would make the subject of your message explicit to what model(s) and year(s) or era of van that the message pertains to. For example:

"Eurovan rear hatch won't latch" "91 Camper stove problem" "87 Syncro Clutch Problems" "83-H20 engine temperature"

Often messages refer to trips, tools or other general topics. These types of messages are of course meant for the whole list and a subject without a particular van type is expected.

Fridays are a day when people do fun things on the list. These things may actually not be Vanagon related, but we strongly encourage it. To indicate that a posting is in fun and may not be of technical value, you should preface or suffix your subject with /f [f] or (F). Anyone without a sense of humor should delete these messages without reading them.

The vanagon mailing list has been around for a while and its citizens are fairly net.savvy. Bear that in mind before you forward something to the list. In particular, please avoid the following: o Messages containing cookie recipes. o Craig Shergold or any kid dying of cancer who wants to live forever in e-mail o Forwarded messages with LOTS OF CAPITALS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!! o Any virus warning which says you can get a virus just by reading an e-mail message, especially if the virus-carrying message always has the same subject. o Any virus warning already listed as a hoax at any of the following sites:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html http://www.kumite.com/myths/

o The Internet AIDS Infection Experiment or any Internet Experiment

o Why Computers Are Like Men/Women o Petitions o Good-luck charms o Any Chain Letter, especially if it's already listed at:

http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html

o Dire warnings or actions alerts like Save Sesame Street!, Kidney Thieves, Airport laptop thieves, 806 pager scams, FCC Internet Tax, Lexis-Nexis P-Trax database, rec.music.white-power, etc. Basically, anything telling the whole world to send e-mail somewhere or take some action, but doesn't tell you what day (and year) to stop. Stop forwarding hysteria! o Content-free ping tests o Messages with more forwards than actual text o Posting private email to the whole list without permission o A reply to a previous Vanagon list posting, quoting all six hundred lines, when all you wanted to do was respond to the last three

Sending this sort of thing to the Vanagon list will make you look like a novice, and will bring the administrator's sarcasm crashing down upon your head.

In order to defeat spammers, the roster of subscribers for this mailing list is generally not available. If you have a legitimate requirement to see the roster, write to one of the list owners (vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM).

Please refrain from profanity or pushing other's buttons on the list. We try very hard to get along. Censorship will be enacted for those unable to control themselves. Thanks for your cooperation.

+--------------------------------+ | Sending mail to the list | +--------------------------------+

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This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address and ListServ makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address 'vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM' is also called the 'list address'. You must never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. All commands must be sent to the 'ListServ address', LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but fortunately it is not complicated. The ListServ address is like a FAX number that connects you to a machine, whereas the list address is like a normal voice line connecting you to a person.

+----------------------+ | Leaving the list | +---------------------+

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF vanagon" command to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM.

+--------------------------------------+ | Getting acknowledgements | +--------------------------------------+

You can also tell ListServ how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. By default, new users are sent copies of the messages they send to the list. If you don't want these copies send to you, send a "SET vanagon NOREPRO" command and ListServ won't send them. If you send a "SET vanagon ACK NOREPRO" command, ListServ will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET vanagon NOACK NOREPRO".

+-------------+ | Archives | +-------------+

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX vanagon" command to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. You can then order these files with a "GET vanagon LOGxxxx" command, or using ListServ's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter.

Web archives are available at: http://gerry.vanagon.com/archives/vanagon.html

+------------+ | Digests | +------------+

This list is available in digest form. If you wish to receive the digested version of the postings, just issue a SET vanagon DIGEST command.

+------------------------------------+ | More ListServ commands | +------------------------------------+

More information on ListServ commands can be found in the ListServ reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM.

Enjoy the list! TomC & JimA (the Administrators)


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