Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:17:50 -0500
Reply-To: mcneely4@COX.NET
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Report: gas mileage, in town, 1.9L AT
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And all these mistakes in reporting make for dubious conclusions about the validity of the report. If a person reports a diesel engine as being a gas engine, how can anyone conclude that any of the information is valid? Pretty simple. Oh well. mcneely
---- Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a couple of clues there McNeely, that tell you that the van is a
> diesel and mis-registered in the table.
>
> First off, the listing says "Driven by TDIWesty" and then when you click on
> "510 OW" you can read "1989 Vanagon Westfalia with 2002 1.9L TDI engine".
>
> Ain't research grand?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > ---- Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, your mileage was self-reported, as was Mike's - so what?
> >
> > I acknowledge that my report was "self reported," and one can take that for
> > whatever he thinks it is worth. But both _Consumer Reports_ and "Fuely" are
> > making some sort of claim about objectivity and lack of bias.
> > >
> > > Maybe its my eyesight but I don't see any 30MPG claims on that page.
> > When I
> > > filter by Gas H4 the highest number is 20.9MPG and the average is 18MPG.
> > > All the high gas mileage numbers I'm seeing there are from diesel powered
> > > vans.
> >
> > It must be your eyesight:
> >
> > http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/vanagon/gas
> >
> > mcneely
> >
> > >
> > > Makes sense to me...YMMV
> > >
> > > Jake
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The problem with Fuelly is that mileage is all self reported -- sort of
> > > > like Consumer Reports reliability reports, which are developed from
> > owner's
> > > > reports. When there are a large number, something relative may work,
> > but
> > > > there are no controls that would make the data really believable. What
> > do
> > > > we make of a report of 30 mpg with an unmodified Vanagon waterboxer?
> > > >
> > > > mcneely
> > > >
> > > > ---- Jim Arnott <jrasite@EONI.COM> wrote:
> > > > > Gas mileage questions? Want to know what's 'normal'?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/vanagon
> > > > >
> > > > > Create an account and do your bit to determine what's normal for a
> > > > > 20-30 year old vehicle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As promised, I'd check my in-town gas mileage when I filled up the
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > again and report back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't normally check fuel consumption except when on camping
> > trips,
> > > > > > those are highway miles. I get about 18 to 21 mpg depending. My in-
> > > > > > town
> > > > > > mileage is considerably worse and I have a light foot. Got 12 mpg
> > on
> > > > > > this last tank.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rocky J Squirrel
> > > > > > '84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
> > > > > > '74 Westrailia: (Ladybug Trailer company, San Juan Capistrano,
> > Calif.)
> > > > > > Bend, OR
> > > > > > KG6RCR
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David McNeely
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jake
> > >
> > > 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX - 'The Grey Van'
> > > 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Subie - 'Dixie'
> > >
> > > Crescent Beach, BC
> > >
> > > www.thebassspa.com
> > > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> > > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX - 'The Grey Van'
> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Subie - 'Dixie'
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
--
David McNeely
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