Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:36:35 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Sad story
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I recently read about hot wiring the starter from the engine bay and I could
immediately see some poor soul getting backed over because they didn't know
to put a Manual transmission Vanagon gear shift in Neutral.
good point.
here is what I do ANY time I am going to use a remote starter switch or a
hidden starter cheater wire in the engine compartment..
first application is just a brief barely 'tiny touch' of the button ..
to see if it's in gear.........
and there is this one too ..
in cases of checking things...rotating the engine with a big wrench on the
crankshaft pulley, check valve say .... it's not that hard to anciently
leave the wrench on there ..
it's pretty scary when you go to start it and that wrench flies off there .
can do real damage too...
so in all cases of first starting to use a Remote Starter Switch ..
give the starter a very very brief small 'bump' first..
and if it's not in gear..
and nothing flies off the engine ..then go ahead and crank away.
learn that habit ..
at least one time out of 10 or 20 times..it'll be in gear ...
or there will be a wrench or tool still on the engine or a bolt or
something.
and *NEVER* .........never , never , never ..............stand in front of
or behind any car and tell the person sitting in the drivers seat to start
the car.
guaranteed.....about 3/5ths of the time they'll be flustered or nervous
..and they'll start it in gear.
and NEVER ! work on any engine with someone in the driver's seat !!!
unless you told them to, and they are gonig to do only exactly what you tell
them to....that's fine ..
but don't start working away while they're there..
they'll turn on the key to listen to the radio ..or accidently blow the horn
and scare the crap out of you etc..
last one ..
never be under a car while someone else is moving a car near you . ( if it's
on stands ) ..
I had someone drive a car into one I was almost under once..
they forgot the brakes barely were working ...drove right into the back of
the one I was not quite under.
lots of ways to get hurt working on cars or vanagons ..so be super careful.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Martin" <ramblinvan@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Sad story
> Agreed.
>
> I recently read about hot wiring the starter from the engine bay and I
> could
> immediately see some poor soul getting backed over because they didn't
> know
> to put a Manual transmission Vanagon gear shift in Neutral.
>
> Perhaps the person who was receiving this advice knew how to perform this
> maneuver correctly but what about the guy who just scans the archives
> looking for clues and doesn't necessarily read the entire thread?
>
> I'm all for personal responsibility BUT as my carpentry mentor always
> said... "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
>
> He only had 3 fingers on his Right hand from a table saw incident. He
> learned to adapt but if saw (observed?) you doing something foolish he
> came
> down hard. If you did the same thing twice you went home for the day.
> Third time you were all done.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Max Wellhouse
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:04 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Sad story
>
> Yes, I think safety if anything isn't reinforced enough on our
> list. We all have near miss and worse stories to tell, I find it
> well worth reading and definitely "on topic".
>
> Carry on,
>
>
> DM&FS
>
> At 03:03 PM 4/14/2011, Jake de Villiers wrote:
>>Mm...starting the thread?
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Is today Friday and I'm totally mixed up about the calendar?
>> >
>> > Where are our ever-vigilant moderators, eh?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>> > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > not only hands and fingers..
>> > > long hair is extremely dangerous around any moving equipment.
>> > > and so is any jewelry of any kind........and not just for getting
> caught
>> > in
>> > > things..
>> > > but for electrical shorting out, like a wedding ring and battery
> cables
>> > > etc.
>> > >
>> > > I hate to think about the person maybe leaning in to get a closer
>> > > look
> at
>> > a
>> > > spinning part on a lathe and long hair getting caught.
>> > > as this case shows....stuff like that can just kill ya...
>> > > or change your whole life in a second. There is just 'zero margin'
> when
>> > it
>> > > comes to body parts and moving or electrically energized equipment.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Jeff Lincoln" <magikvw@GMAIL.COM>
>> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:26 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: Sad story
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Even when I know I have checked and am being careful when I am
> looming
>> > >> above
>> > >> the runnign engine I am a bit leary of being there. THe thought of
>> > missing
>> > >> something that could get caught in the turning belt - or just
>> > >> inadvertantly
>> > >> placing a hand or a tool in the wrong place is a scary thought - I
> like
>> > my
>> > >> hands and fingers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for the reminder.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >>
>> > >> Jeff
>> > >> '85 GL (Gertie)
>> > >> '90 Carat (Grover - the noble parts donor)
>> > >> '78 Bus (Melissa) Patty's Bus
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jake
>>
>>1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX - 'The Grey Van'
>>1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Subie - 'Dixie'
>>
>>Crescent Beach, BC
>>
>>www.thebassspa.com
>>www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
