Date:         Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:00:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: HHO Kits
Comments: To: mcneely4@cox.net
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hi..
lol
oh ..'some' vanagons have awesome accleration, like turbo surburu ones, or
SVX -powered ones.

I'd love to talk more 'prius' with ya, but it's a vanagon forum, 'cept on
fridaes, of course.

in general...about 'them new fangled modurn cars' ...
I wouldn't even feel like I was really in control of one ..
it feels more like 'the corporate and government conglomorate' controls what
it does and how ..
and I as owner/driver just get to participate a little.

on the other hand ..
sure there are electronics in vanagons that we don't have direct control
over quite..
but we can keep a spare ECC around, fiddle with wires we know can't hurt us
much ..
and ..
compared to modern cars, speaking of feeling like one has actual 'control'
......Diesel Vanagons are so uttlerly purely mechanical it's just amazing !
( stock 82 and 83 ones, or conventional pre-chamber type diesel ones ..not
TDI's )
About all they have on them electrically is 12 volts to the fuel cut-off
solenoid,
alternator and starter, and running lights, and the electric clock ..

*all* the mechanical systems are purely mechanical on them ..
amazing they are even viable on today's roads !

  Can you imagine ..the most electrical thing about the transmission is the
back up light switch ..
I'm sure your prius has quite some chips involved with trans operation,. to
say the least.

scott
www.turbovans.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <mcneely4@cox.net>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>; "Scott Daniel - Turbovans"
<scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] HHO Kits


> ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>
>>   another interesting and odd thing learned is there is a conventional 12
>> volt car size battery in the right rear corner of the car  that is just
>> used
>> to run the dash and the 'normal' eectrical stuff ...and if that battery
>> wears out or fails, the car will crank on the starter from it's
>> propulsion
>> batteries  but not fire up.
>
> Actually, the small battery is more motorcycle sized than car sized.  I
> did not know the engine would turn over from the propulsion batteries.  My
> owner's book simply says the vehicle will not engage in the "ready"
> (meaning ready for driving) mode if the small battery fails.  My Prius now
> has 81K miles.  Only regular maintenance service, no failures of any kind,
> including batteries, either propulsion or starter.
>>
>> Vanagon content ? ..this is so we can start visuaalizing and planning on
>> making  plug-in hybrid vanagons that get 45 mpg, or more.
>>
>> ( Prius ain't got no soul though, no spunk/charisma,  if you ask me
>> though.
>> But vanagons sure do !  )
>
> Soul?  I guess vehicular soul is like human soul, it's in the eye of the
> observer.  Spunk?  Well, a Vanagon isn't known for acceleration, or other
> "performance" qualities.  Charisma?  Depends on what attracts one, I'd
> say.
>
> mcneely