Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:04:48 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Won't start (tries) (coughs)
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HI ..yes, I saw that post.
was waiting to see what people might say.
it's not very sophisiticated, but I put newspaper on the floor of the van ..
then spary up in there, rather blindly , with a good synthetic spray grease.
I might do that several times..
I spray, then operate pedals, mainly the clutch pedal , the brake pedal
doesn't really suffer from this particular weakenss the clutch pedal has.
Mainly you want to get that clevis pin spot lubed..
it's way up at the top of clutch pedal itself, right next to where it pivots
a the top.
They could not have hidden this metal-to-metal pivot point better if they
really tried..
or maybe they did do that funky-ly on purpose. Grease it once at the
factory ..
that's good for 20 + years ? Hardly.
Spray copiously as best you can ..
holding the clutch pedal down while you do it slightly moves 'the spot' into
position a little better to reach.
no need to remove the whole dash.
the pedal assembly will come out with the whole dash installed even.
but it's a tedious job.
if you remove the master cylinder, and then the booster, you will be looking
right at 'the spot' that wears..
but that's a lot of work too.
Good spary lube 'creeps' a little too.
SeaFoam ..a great brand in fuel treament stuff, has a spray lube called
'deep creep' ..
though I am not finding that they spary that well. I want to be able to soak
any pivot point from a foot or two away if I have to. And do it several
times.
there was one sliding door on an 82 diesel westy that wouldn't close ..the
rear pivot on the arm had never been lubed. It didn't respond to the first
shot of lube ..
or the first 25 shots of spray lube ...but it did repsond to spaying it 4
times a day for two weeks ..
then it was as good as new ...the point being good lube finds its way right
into the metal itself, even, with enough applications in difficult cases.
I was just noticing that the fresh air vents ( with moving parts in them )
are never lubed. I use spray silicone lube on plastic parts like that.
I think it was a long skinny tube to apply lube in exactly the right spot
...I think that might be what I read about allistair and his method.
scott
www.turbovans.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Won't start (tries) (coughs)
> Scott,
>
> You have mentioned many times the issue of the necessity of lubrication
> of all the moving parts on a Vanagon to ensure long life and smooth
> running. My issue for the moment is how to lubricate the clutch and
> brake arms pivot points under the dash. Any suggestions short of taking
> the dash completely out to get to it??? That is what Allistair did, but
> having never done it myself, it will be a challenge if that is the way I
> have to go.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
>
> John Rodgers
> Clayartist and Moldmaker
> 88'GL VW Bus Driver
> Chelsea, AL
> Http://www.moldhaus.com
>
>
> On 5/3/2011 1:06 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>> could be so many things.
>> has any testing or diagnosis been done at all ?
>>
>> say ..
>> has the fuel filter been checked , or ...not likely to be a problem, but
>> fuel pressure ?
>>
>> I'd test for a fat spark coming out of the coil while cranking,
>> and investigate / test/replace Temp Sensor II.
>>
>> the list of things to actually consider or check is pretty long really.
>> besides tired components like say ...spark plug wires, hall sender in
>> distributor ..
>> idle switch not making contact ................shorted oxygen sensor (
>> rare ) ....
>> there's ground connections, air leaks, and many things to consider.
>>
>> if it's like most of the vanagons I see ...
>> they have not gotten TRULY good care and attention over the last say 15
>> years..
>> they are 25 years old...the first 10 years things will be ok..
>> has they get older..
>> really ...what most shops or people consider a 'tune-up'
>> ............mainly
>> things like cap and rotor and spark plugs and air and fuel filter say ..
>> that barely addresses what really gets tired and weak on them.
>> I see LOTS of parts replaced on these old babies ..
>> but seldom do I see many of them that are truly, truly taken care of and
>> really cleaned, serviced, adjusted, and so on ....all the details that
>> add
>> up.
>> I spend a lot of time correcting and treating corrosion, and lack of
>> attention to the finer details. Heck ..the tune up parts themselves
>> barely
>> wear. Those are not the 'weak area' at all. If there's a weak area
>> it's lack
>> of attention to details that add up ..
>> and so often ...it's related to corrosion, or lack of attention to
>> very small details in many spots. Also ..not-perfect workmanship ..I
>> see a
>> lot of that. I could almost say, the two main areas I work in to get
>> vanagons to work truly right again....are about corrosion and correcting
>> previously done poor workmanship. I should log all that someday and
>> categorize it. Very often it's not even 'a part' or a component, it's
>> just straightening out overlooked details. I can typically find up to 10
>> details not right on many waterboxer engines, affecting how the start,
>> idle,
>> and run. Not even big expensive parts.....mainly details that have
>> not been
>> attended to properly over the years.
>> Someone needs to do some careful inspecting and testing on your engine.
>> Some intelligent inspecting and testing, not just throwing tune up
>> parts at
>> it.
>>
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andree" <andreehurley@YAHOO.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:14 AM
>> Subject: Won't start (tries) (coughs)
>>
>>
>>> My van has had an early morning issue - quite different from the hot
>>> start
>>> issue
>>> it was having.
>>>
>>> It tries to turn over, then coughs and dies. It's been running rough in
>>> the
>>> morning until it warms up, but now it just won't start.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you keep the key turned, it goes in cycles (if that makes any
>>> sense).
>>>
>>> Any ideas? We tried jumping, just for the heck of it. It has gas.
>>>
>>> It's a 1985.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andree
>>
>>
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